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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 4068154" data-attributes="member: 1704">Yeah, as a BECMI DM of many years who adopted 3e in no small part because they bought the rights to BOTH D&amp;D and AD&amp;D, merged the lines, gave credit to both Arneson and Gygax, and incorporated rule elements and monsters from both (by D&amp;D monsters I pretty much mean Known World/Mystara), I take great issue with this &quot;footnote&quot; attitude.Have your preferences, love your particular races and classes (which in some cases were the same thing), but you cannot deny the barest bones essence of race and class for PCs in xD&amp;D is:Classes: FIGHTER, CLERIC, THIEF, MAGIC-USERRaces: HUMAN, ELF, DWARF, HALFLINGReplace each name with preferred version if you desire (e.g. rogue, wizard, hobbit) but those are the core roles and races.Note this is not a comment about how many or which should be in 4e PHB1 (well, other than that those 4 races and 4 classes really ought to be in), just a diatribe in reaction to the disrespect shown to my beloved OD&amp;D/BECMI&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 4068154, member: 1704"] Yeah, as a BECMI DM of many years who adopted 3e in no small part because they bought the rights to BOTH D&D and AD&D, merged the lines, gave credit to both Arneson and Gygax, and incorporated rule elements and monsters from both (by D&D monsters I pretty much mean Known World/Mystara), I take great issue with this "footnote" attitude. Have your preferences, love your particular races and classes (which in some cases were the same thing), but you cannot deny the barest bones essence of race and class for PCs in xD&D is: Classes: FIGHTER, CLERIC, THIEF, MAGIC-USER Races: HUMAN, ELF, DWARF, HALFLING Replace each name with preferred version if you desire (e.g. rogue, wizard, hobbit) but those are the core roles and races. Note this is not a comment about how many or which should be in 4e PHB1 (well, other than that those 4 races and 4 classes really ought to be in), just a diatribe in reaction to the disrespect shown to my beloved OD&D/BECMI :) [/QUOTE]

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