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<blockquote data-quote="lutecius" data-source="post: 4068587" data-attributes="member: 60332">That druid would need the shapechanging feats but more importantly a whole spell list focused on nature AND not be loaded with the clerics's holy-warrior baggage. ie. turning undead, armor proficiency and whatever holy auras he might get in 4e should not be hardwired int the class. In that case I'd be perfectly fine with the druid being the &quot;nature cleric&quot;. I actually liked the AD&amp;D2 sphere idea, not the implementation, though.We don't know much about the cleric yet, but it seems that classes will more narrow than generic...The previewed warlock for example, with all his soul marking curses, teleporting the enemy around, and his overall sinister tone does not look very bardish to me, neither does the new wizard's all day eldritch blast. So shoving bardic music into either class would not work that well.It may depend on what is covered by the fey-pact (whether it is as &quot;scary&quot; and &quot;feral&quot; as suggested in the article.)Not completely on topic, the bard to appear in later PHBs seems to have some &quot;otherworldly patrons&quot; too. (cleric, paladin, warlock, now bard?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> what's the matter with them?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="lutecius, post: 4068587, member: 60332"] That druid would need the shapechanging feats but more importantly a whole spell list focused on nature AND not be loaded with the clerics's holy-warrior baggage. ie. turning undead, armor proficiency and whatever holy auras he might get in 4e should not be hardwired int the class. In that case I'd be perfectly fine with the druid being the "nature cleric". I actually liked the AD&D2 sphere idea, not the implementation, though. We don't know much about the cleric yet, but it seems that classes will more narrow than generic... The previewed warlock for example, with all his soul marking curses, teleporting the enemy around, and his overall sinister tone does not look very bardish to me, neither does the new wizard's all day eldritch blast. So shoving bardic music into either class would not work that well. It may depend on what is covered by the fey-pact (whether it is as "scary" and "feral" as suggested in the article.) Not completely on topic, the bard to appear in later PHBs seems to have some "otherworldly patrons" too. (cleric, paladin, warlock, now bard? :confused: what's the matter with them?) [/QUOTE]

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