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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4078774" data-attributes="member: 5202"><p>Of course the whole concept behind the original splitting of the lines into BECMI and AD&D appears to have been, and I believe many interviews over the years have borne this out, to have a simpler version of the game to get people hooked and then they get to step up w/the big kids and play ADVANCED D&D. </p><p></p><p>By the time 3E rolled around they were saying they wanted One True D&Dism (yet still ended up producing a basic game, altho it was a single package and no additional product that I remember seeing) and pulled everything back together.</p><p></p><p>The new game was, at the same time, in some ways simpler than 2E, but in other ways way more complex. The added complexity allowed it to more easily represent a number of player concepts and actions than any prior edition did tho. Anytime you add a metric ton of options you make everything slower simply b/c of the # of options.</p><p></p><p>As far as races and classes of dislike, I don't mind any of the removals they made. I didn't really play any of them. They reduced the impact of Vancian spellcasting on the game, made alignment mostly just a couple of letters on your character sheet and got rid of Ranger spells. Sounds good to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 4078774, member: 5202"] Of course the whole concept behind the original splitting of the lines into BECMI and AD&D appears to have been, and I believe many interviews over the years have borne this out, to have a simpler version of the game to get people hooked and then they get to step up w/the big kids and play ADVANCED D&D. By the time 3E rolled around they were saying they wanted One True D&Dism (yet still ended up producing a basic game, altho it was a single package and no additional product that I remember seeing) and pulled everything back together. The new game was, at the same time, in some ways simpler than 2E, but in other ways way more complex. The added complexity allowed it to more easily represent a number of player concepts and actions than any prior edition did tho. Anytime you add a metric ton of options you make everything slower simply b/c of the # of options. As far as races and classes of dislike, I don't mind any of the removals they made. I didn't really play any of them. They reduced the impact of Vancian spellcasting on the game, made alignment mostly just a couple of letters on your character sheet and got rid of Ranger spells. Sounds good to me. [/QUOTE]
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