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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Humanophile" data-source="post: 2601372" data-attributes="member: 1049">I guess my biggest beef with the cleric is that it's often a better spellcaster than the arcane casters.  Compared to the wizard, the cleric has access to more spells, more spell slots (even assuming a specialist to counter the domain spells), and can hold their own on the defense and utility fields.  The combat perks and extra class features really just seal the deal.  Not to mention, if you swap out class features or focus on something other than party support, it's easy for the cleric's ... "I'd be built on more points than anybody else" stats to make anyone else feel sub-par.  Ironically, Still, I don't have much in the way of cleric-nerfing house rules.  I do wonder what a hypothetical 4e will bring out as alternate healing rules; the less the party needs a dedicated walking medkit, the less you'll have the classic D&D conceit of "someone needs to play the healer", and the less bribery will have to ensue.  It'll be interesting to see where they balance out to after that.</blockquote>