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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 2603043" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>Clerics were designed to be more powerful than other classes in 3e because healing was deemed necessary for the game and people were finding them a chore to play in previous editions.</p><p></p><p>They are mechanically more powerful because of the totality of their powers:</p><p></p><p>Self buffed they are better warriors than fighters.</p><p></p><p>Decent enough combat to be on the front lines even unbuffed (hp, heavy armor AC, decent weapons).</p><p></p><p>They are primary casters with specialist slots in full armor with double the HD size of wizards.</p><p></p><p>They get every spell on their class list to choose from, no cost (druids get the same bonus but less slots to use these with).</p><p></p><p>Massive spontaneous healing, great buffs, some blasts, great divinations, same summonings as a conjurer specialist with only a few alignment choice restrictions. They even have mind affecting attack spells like command and hold person. Any cleric can be great at any of these areas on any given day.</p><p></p><p>Their spell casting stat is mechanically useful for will saves.</p><p></p><p>Two good saves.</p><p></p><p>Plus turning and domain powers as bonuses.</p><p></p><p>And diplomacy as a class skill.</p><p></p><p>So we have: can fill warrior role, can fill healer role, can fill combat support role, can fill ranged spell back row role, can do spell investigations, has special undead powers, and can fill social diplomat face role.</p><p></p><p>Wizards can do more blastems and a few magics clerics can't but a lot of overlap and clerics are much more durable and clerics have more spells to choose from without spending other resources.</p><p></p><p>Fighters have more BAB, hp, stronger weapons, more feats and can fight all day, but self buffs can make clerics comparable or better. Not much else fighters can do.</p><p></p><p>Diplomacy, clerics don't have the points or class skills for the synergy bonuses, but they can max out diplomacy and fill the social role normally given to a bard or rogue or leader paladin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 2603043, member: 2209"] Clerics were designed to be more powerful than other classes in 3e because healing was deemed necessary for the game and people were finding them a chore to play in previous editions. They are mechanically more powerful because of the totality of their powers: Self buffed they are better warriors than fighters. Decent enough combat to be on the front lines even unbuffed (hp, heavy armor AC, decent weapons). They are primary casters with specialist slots in full armor with double the HD size of wizards. They get every spell on their class list to choose from, no cost (druids get the same bonus but less slots to use these with). Massive spontaneous healing, great buffs, some blasts, great divinations, same summonings as a conjurer specialist with only a few alignment choice restrictions. They even have mind affecting attack spells like command and hold person. Any cleric can be great at any of these areas on any given day. Their spell casting stat is mechanically useful for will saves. Two good saves. Plus turning and domain powers as bonuses. And diplomacy as a class skill. So we have: can fill warrior role, can fill healer role, can fill combat support role, can fill ranged spell back row role, can do spell investigations, has special undead powers, and can fill social diplomat face role. Wizards can do more blastems and a few magics clerics can't but a lot of overlap and clerics are much more durable and clerics have more spells to choose from without spending other resources. Fighters have more BAB, hp, stronger weapons, more feats and can fight all day, but self buffs can make clerics comparable or better. Not much else fighters can do. Diplomacy, clerics don't have the points or class skills for the synergy bonuses, but they can max out diplomacy and fill the social role normally given to a bard or rogue or leader paladin. [/QUOTE]
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