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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Philip" data-source="post: 1752858" data-attributes="member: 10993">I have seen it as well. And as for playstyle, if the cleric is a team player, then he will often be busy helping others. For that is often the most effective use of his powers. If the cleric is an individualist focusing on his own glory, he will have his moments where he can outshine the fighter in combat, but at the cost of lowering the overall effectiveness of the partyThe (team-player) cleric in my campaign rarely gets the time to cast his offensive spells, he is often busy removing the hold person spell cast on the fighter, countering the fear cast by the enemy wizard, curing the wizard that was sneak attack by the enemy rogue, casting air walk on the ranger to help him fight the flying dragon, etc. etc.Even though he is a pretty decent combatant without his buff spells, he rarely finds an opportunity to engage in melee. Unless they clearly outclass their opponents, but in such cases the casting of the powerful buffing spells is also unnecessary.I tend to think clerics were made relatively powerful in 3rd edition because most players don't like playing a support role. Now at least some players will be attracted to the class because of its power.</blockquote>