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<blockquote data-quote="Salthorae" data-source="post: 7821222" data-attributes="member: 1095">No, I get your point, and while it is confusing a bit, I don't think it's as confusing as you're making it out to be.As someone stated, there are only 4 categories, so Unarmed strikes have to fall into one of them. They fall into melee weapon attacks because that is the only bucket they can realistically fall into (not being ranged or spells), but they are not in fact &quot;weapons&quot;From the Sage Advice Compendium: So any time you see &quot;weapon&quot; or &quot;weapon attack&quot;, Unarmed strikes don't work. Any time you see &quot;melee weapon attack&quot; you can use unarmed strikes just fine.If what you want is a melee brawler that is NOT a monk or someone without the Tavern Brawler feat... you're going to have to house rule or home brew. That is specifically the Monk's wheelhouse and right now RAW they don't want others treading on it. Let teh fighters fight and the monks brawl with unarmed strikes. It's what they're best at.You could probably get away with a Barbarian (Berserker) as I noted above, though without the Tavern Brawler feat you're limited in what damage you can deal.Heck, now I want to do a Barbarian (Berserker)/Monk multiclass with the Grappler feat, a more controlled Monk/Fighter (Battlemaster), or Monk/Paladin for those unarmed smites.Those actually sound fun, or some combination of them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Salthorae, post: 7821222, member: 1095"] No, I get your point, and while it is confusing a bit, I don't think it's as confusing as you're making it out to be. As someone stated, there are only 4 categories, so Unarmed strikes have to fall into one of them. They fall into melee weapon attacks because that is the only bucket they can realistically fall into (not being ranged or spells), but they are not in fact "weapons" From the Sage Advice Compendium: So any time you see "weapon" or "weapon attack", Unarmed strikes don't work. Any time you see "melee weapon attack" you can use unarmed strikes just fine. If what you want is a melee brawler that is NOT a monk or someone without the Tavern Brawler feat... you're going to have to house rule or home brew. That is specifically the Monk's wheelhouse and right now RAW they don't want others treading on it. Let teh fighters fight and the monks brawl with unarmed strikes. It's what they're best at. You could probably get away with a Barbarian (Berserker) as I noted above, though without the Tavern Brawler feat you're limited in what damage you can deal. Heck, now I want to do a Barbarian (Berserker)/Monk multiclass with the Grappler feat, a more controlled Monk/Fighter (Battlemaster), or Monk/Paladin for those unarmed smites. Those actually sound fun, or some combination of them :) [/QUOTE]

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