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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7823611" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Both of those Dueling options were off the cuff. But as you say it is just one example. For someone trained in unarmed strikes (which unfortunately now due to the errata is EVERYONE... another mistake IMO) and taking the Dual Wiedler feat, I am fine with them gaining a +1 bonus to AC. It isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.And that is my point. Nothing I am suggestion, however much it might require some rethinking of some things, isn't going to break the game. As you pointed out even with Dueling, it won't make the making overpowered, which would be primarily my concern if that was the case.Because for the vast majority of people, fists aren't as deadly. Even for a dedicated brawler build, your damage might not be as much, but depending on the build/ feat selection/ etc., you have more options and can control the battlefield in ways you can't with a sword.Any monk over 6th level with enough luck can do it now anyway. I would NOT want to take that away from monks--that is a mystical part of the class.&nbsp; Any other brawler build would need a spell or magical item to be able to damage a werewolf.Yep, but they wouldn't have had to change it if they hadn't errataed unarmed strikes and natural attacks in the first place...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7823611, member: 6987520"] Both of those Dueling options were off the cuff. But as you say it is just one example. For someone trained in unarmed strikes (which unfortunately now due to the errata is EVERYONE... another mistake IMO) and taking the Dual Wiedler feat, I am fine with them gaining a +1 bonus to AC. It isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. And that is my point. Nothing I am suggestion, however much it might require some rethinking of some things, isn't going to break the game. As you pointed out even with Dueling, it won't make the making overpowered, which would be primarily my concern if that was the case. Because for the vast majority of people, fists aren't as deadly. Even for a dedicated brawler build, your damage might not be as much, but depending on the build/ feat selection/ etc., you have more options and can control the battlefield in ways you can't with a sword. Any monk over 6th level with enough luck can do it now anyway. I would NOT want to take that away from monks--that is a mystical part of the class. Any other brawler build would need a spell or magical item to be able to damage a werewolf. Yep, but they wouldn't have had to change it if they hadn't errataed unarmed strikes and natural attacks in the first place... [/QUOTE]

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