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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 2836558" data-attributes="member: 13700">I wasnt aware of that errata, I have been out of the game for awhile, thanks for the info.  Now it functions like the alternate form special ability from the MM (from the phb 3.5 errata), is there any other relevant errata concerning wildshape that i should know of?So as of now they:keep int/wis/cha of original formget str/dex/con keeping the base hp, and also has reflex/fort saves modified by new forms bonuses.get all the abilities from their new form other than the supernatural/spell like onesso i guess the MOMF is un-neutered at least.sorry for the drama, but i assumed because it is the newest publication of the main rulebook, that it represented the official stand of WOTC as far as wildshape was concerned.thanks,  Cactotedit:  OOHHHH!  I just read the MM 3.5 errata, it turns out that they actually gave a stealth buff to the MOMF."If the creature changes size, any gear it wears or carries that can be worn or carried in their new form changes size to match their new size."  So that means that my ironwood/dragonhide won't need the "wild" enchantment when turning into a troll, also carrying a shillelagh/spikes enchanted greatclub now just got a whole lot more practical.  BUT on the downside they removed the ability for the con modifier to change your HP</blockquote>