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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warmage-in-Onley" data-source="post: 2832331" data-attributes="member: 23244"><p>Let's check out a potential use of the new Quicken for sorcerers.  Let's take a 15th level Sorc and do the following:  Quickened Hailstones (uses 7th level slot) for 51 avg damage (assuming you can make 3 ranged touch attacks with your base +7 to hit) and no save, followed by Empowered Moonbow (uses 7th level slot) for 126 avg damage (again assuming you can make 3 ranged touch attacks with your base +7 to hit) and no save.  Assuming a touch AC of 12 you will fail to hit with 20% of your rta's, your misses will cost you an average of 35 damage in a round.  Net damage from this tactic = 142 pts of damage/round, and the Sorc can do this twice before he's all outta 7th level slots.  2 rounds and 284 points of damage.  Simply using Empowered Moonbow with the same miss chances you could do 101 points of damage/round for 4 rounds.  Using this example (which is situational) you can see how much damage you give up by Quickening to max attack.  The Sorc can do this on the fly, I think you'd really have to plan the Wizard's attack to match this (even with that 8th level spell).  Whew, I need a break.</p></blockquote><p></p>