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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4951031" data-attributes="member: 43019">Like a good Charisma? The breath is great for multimarking and clearing out minions, and they both get the Con to surges though the dwarf makes better use of it, but... what?For quite a while, dwarf battlerager with a mordenkrad was more defense _and_ offense than anyone needed <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Dwarf has more Con out the gate. Though I'll admit that I've never seen a fighter run out of surges so the point may all be moot. It's always someone else first. Slackers.b1 stands for brutal 1 - which you overlooked. It gives the dwarf an extra 1 damage. Which, of course, puts the edge on him numerically.He's actually behind, but I'm disappointed you didn't factor in the half-orc's once per combat extra W of damage to balance it out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Eh, you're the one who wanted to discuss someone using a maul + weapon focus vs. mordenkrad + DWT. So we have to assume 1st level for only one feat. And that they didn't like the Mordenkrad, since it's still better than WF even with one feat available <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Very few heroic feats disappear from usefulness. That argument doesn't really work.You're making a lot of assumptions about the playtesting of AV there. Reckless, Bloodclaw, and a host of other things beg for attention. And they don't oversee every single thing created. A _lot_ of people put in a lot of things, and stuff slips through. Stuff like Righteous Rage of Tempus which did something specifically spelled out to never do in their design documents. And Battlerager, which maybe did something different before it was released, or just wasn't playtested in actual games. And a host of items which give abilities far greater than others. A little slips through every book. One person doesn't stop that, and I've sat down with notable WotC folks and used something and had them go 'Where the hell did that come from?' and it's like 'Your last book?'. 'That should be once an encounter maybe. That's stupid'Of course it works like that, and of course they did that. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't do it differently now than they did it then. Like the 'Effect: Make another attack' and the assassin 'Make several attacks and add Ws for more than 1 hit', they've shown another way to do this type of feat. Course, they might instead do the +2/+3/+4 and leave it also giving the superior weapons.</blockquote>

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