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<blockquote data-quote="Stormrunner" data-source="post: 3377778" data-attributes="member: 13471">I think you're putting the horse behind the cart, so to speak.IMHO, &quot;Tumble to avoid AoOs&quot; isn't &quot;I wait for him to make an AoO against me, then I duck/dodge the blow&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's &quot;I perform a sudden, unexpected somersault/cartwheel/whatever that gets me past my startled opponent before he can react&quot;.&nbsp; You make the Tumble check when you move, not when the enemy AoOs.Note that this means, for example, that when Orc #1 can make only one AoO per round, and The Rogue successfully tumbles past him, Orc #1 still has his AoO available&nbsp; to whack at someone else who tries to move past him - he did not &quot;use it and miss&quot; vs The Rogue.With Acrobatic Strike, you are using the &quot;tumble past&quot; rules to essentially &quot;get behind&quot; the opponent for a second - but since 3.5's &quot;no facing&quot; system doesn't allow figures to have a &quot;behind&quot;, this is simulated with a bonus to hit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stormrunner, post: 3377778, member: 13471"] I think you're putting the horse behind the cart, so to speak. IMHO, "Tumble to avoid AoOs" isn't "I wait for him to make an AoO against me, then I duck/dodge the blow". It's "I perform a sudden, unexpected somersault/cartwheel/whatever that gets me past my startled opponent before he can react". You make the Tumble check when [U]you[/U] move, not when the enemy AoOs. Note that this means, for example, that when Orc #1 can make only one AoO per round, and The Rogue successfully tumbles past him, Orc #1 [U]still has his AoO available[/U] to whack at someone else who tries to move past him - he did not "use it and miss" vs The Rogue. With Acrobatic Strike, you are using the "tumble past" rules to essentially "get behind" the opponent for a second - but since 3.5's "no facing" system doesn't allow figures to have a "behind", this is simulated with a bonus to hit. [/QUOTE]

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