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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4746048" data-attributes="member: 10177">WOTC has been called the market leader for years, you are not the market leader when you can't even attract 1/6th of the market that you claim exists (&quot;you&quot; being WOTC, they are the one that touted the 6 million &quot;D&amp;D&quot; players world wide). So now we find out that their core books of their touted 4E hasn't even been sold to a full 1/6th of the &quot;estimated D&amp;D market world wide&quot;.So now we finally have solid sales numbers (solid in that we know its &quot;hundreds of thousands&quot;, which is less than 1 million), which now means we know that 4E appeals to less than 1/6th of the estimated 6 million gamers that are out there.So now I would really like to know Paizo's numbers. I bet they are in the 10's of thousands, but if they are actually at 100,000+, then WOTC is not as big of a leader as previously believed. Especially since &quot;Hundreds of thousands&quot; could be as little as 200,000.So this could actually mean &quot;D&amp;D&quot; as a brand is much closer to being &quot;toppled&quot; than previously believed. It has all kinds of possible implications.I actually think WOTC is much closer to 1 million, but thats largely because I have been believing their hype. Now if WOTC has been over exaggerating their success to keep the perception of being an unbeatable juggernaut alive, you know, like AIG and so many other American companies were caught doing about 6 months to a year ago, and are now going out of business, in danger of bankruptcy, etc... then the whole perception of the D&amp;D brand will change, and become seriously devalued, just like our housing market and economy has become devalued.So yes, this has serious possible implications for the D&amp;D brand and WOTC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 4746048, member: 10177"] WOTC has been called the market leader for years, you are not the market leader when you can't even attract 1/6th of the market that you claim exists ("you" being WOTC, they are the one that touted the 6 million "D&D" players world wide). So now we find out that their core books of their touted 4E hasn't even been sold to a full 1/6th of the "estimated D&D market world wide". So now we finally have solid sales numbers (solid in that we know its "hundreds of thousands", which is less than 1 million), which now means we know that 4E appeals to less than 1/6th of the estimated 6 million gamers that are out there. So now I would really like to know Paizo's numbers. I bet they are in the 10's of thousands, but if they are actually at 100,000+, then WOTC is not as big of a leader as previously believed. Especially since "Hundreds of thousands" could be as little as 200,000. So this could actually mean "D&D" as a brand is much closer to being "toppled" than previously believed. It has all kinds of possible implications. I actually think WOTC is much closer to 1 million, but thats largely because I have been believing their hype. Now if WOTC has been over exaggerating their success to keep the perception of being an unbeatable juggernaut alive, you know, like AIG and so many other American companies were caught doing about 6 months to a year ago, and are now going out of business, in danger of bankruptcy, etc... then the whole perception of the D&D brand will change, and become seriously devalued, just like our housing market and economy has become devalued. So yes, this has serious possible implications for the D&D brand and WOTC. [/QUOTE]

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