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<blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3295277" data-attributes="member: 37198">I'd find it statistically improbable that AE wrote a class called the Unfettered, and then completely separate from that-- and with no prior knowledge-- that D&amp;D publishes a class that does the exact same thing, and calls its ability &quot;Unfettered Defense&quot;.&nbsp; I find it more likely that they looked at the Unfettered, said, &quot;That's a really good idea.&nbsp; Why don't we do something like that?&quot; and then did so.&nbsp; (Its not like people were sitting around saying, &quot;I wish my light armored fighter could be more, you know, unfettered in his fighting.&quot;)Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's most likely what happened.&nbsp; (A lot of what's in AE was inspired by other materials, too.)&nbsp; I'm not trying to imply there was anything sinister about it.&nbsp; All I'm pointing out is that in terms of &quot;reinventing the wheel&quot;-- that is to say, remaking something that doesn't function all that different from what came before it-- the AE inspired D&amp;D material was a lot more wheelish than the D&amp;D inspired AE material.Or to put another way, while the Unfettered was (I felt) a significant and innovative way to make a light armor, agility based fighter-type; the Swashbuckler was basically a tweaked Unfettered.&nbsp; (Which is not to say that AE invented the Swashbuckler.&nbsp; But when they defined with a mechanical build that turned up in D&amp;D a year later, then yeah, I'd say D&amp;D reinvented that wheel.)&nbsp; Actually, I'll point this out.&nbsp; The idea for the Int-bonus to AC didn't start with the Unfettered.&nbsp; The PrC Duelist got it.&nbsp; AE didn't create the Unfettered out of whole cloth, they just made a good version of it that later turned up in D&amp;D.&nbsp; No shame in it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phindar, post: 3295277, member: 37198"] I'd find it statistically improbable that AE wrote a class called the Unfettered, and then completely separate from that-- and with no prior knowledge-- that D&D publishes a class that does the exact same thing, and calls its ability "Unfettered Defense". I find it more likely that they looked at the Unfettered, said, "That's a really good idea. Why don't we do something like that?" and then did so. (Its not like people were sitting around saying, "I wish my light armored fighter could be more, you know, [i]unfettered[/i] in his fighting.") Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's most likely what happened. (A lot of what's in AE was inspired by other materials, too.) I'm not trying to imply there was anything sinister about it. All I'm pointing out is that in terms of "reinventing the wheel"-- that is to say, remaking something that doesn't function all that different from what came before it-- the AE inspired D&D material was a lot more wheelish than the D&D inspired AE material. Or to put another way, while the Unfettered was (I felt) a significant and innovative way to make a light armor, agility based fighter-type; the Swashbuckler was basically a tweaked Unfettered. (Which is not to say that AE invented the Swashbuckler. But when they defined with a mechanical build that turned up in D&D a year later, then yeah, I'd say D&D reinvented that wheel.) Actually, I'll point this out. The idea for the Int-bonus to AC didn't start with the Unfettered. The PrC Duelist got it. AE didn't create the Unfettered out of whole cloth, they just made a good version of it that later turned up in D&D. No shame in it. [/QUOTE]

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