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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 2264684" data-attributes="member: 16814">I might be way off base here, but I don't think UMD will activate this device.&nbsp; Here's my reasoning:&nbsp; &nbsp; UMD allows a character to emulate an ability in order to use a magic item.&nbsp; It does not give the user the ability to actually perform that ability.&nbsp; If the item said 'Use a command word to turn X amount fo normal water into holy water.&nbsp; The user must have the ability to turn undead to use this item,' then UMD work brilliantly.&nbsp; If the item states 'Use a daily turning attempt to turn X amount of normal water into holy water,' then UMD does not give the user the ability to actually turn undead and the attempt would fail.&nbsp; The example in the PH is flawed (IMO) becaue it states that emulating an ability does not allow you to use that ability, and that using that ability is called for with this particular magic item.&nbsp; Maybe I'm being quirky and looking for semantics here.&nbsp; AFAIK this would not crop up very often, as very few items have such requirements, so I don't believe this is a harsh reading.&nbsp; I just don't think that it makes sense for a UMD user to be able to pump out liter after liter of holy water while a true cleric can mabye make 1/2 liter (if that).As I said, maybe off base.&nbsp; If so, call me out.By the way, using continuing effects requires a check every hour in order to maintain the effect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 2264684, member: 16814"] I might be way off base here, but I don't think UMD will activate this device. Here's my reasoning: UMD allows a character to emulate an ability in order to use a magic item. It does not give the user the ability to actually perform that ability. If the item said 'Use a command word to turn X amount fo normal water into holy water. The user must have the ability to turn undead to use this item,' then UMD work brilliantly. If the item states 'Use a daily turning attempt to turn X amount of normal water into holy water,' then UMD does not give the user the ability to actually turn undead and the attempt would fail. The example in the PH is flawed (IMO) becaue it states that emulating an ability does not allow you to use that ability, and that using that ability is called for with this particular magic item. Maybe I'm being quirky and looking for semantics here. AFAIK this would not crop up very often, as very few items have such requirements, so I don't believe this is a harsh reading. I just don't think that it makes sense for a UMD user to be able to pump out liter after liter of holy water while a true cleric can mabye make 1/2 liter (if that). As I said, maybe off base. If so, call me out. By the way, using continuing effects requires a check every hour in order to maintain the effect. [/QUOTE]

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