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<blockquote data-quote="apesamongus" data-source="post: 2278269" data-attributes="member: 27703">If the chalice was explained to work as &quot;Can be used by anyone who can channel positive energy to turn undead, because they have experience and understanding of the flows of positive energy and are blessed by the gods of goodyness,&quot; then UMD obviously works.&nbsp; You're just presenting evidence (falsified by UMD) that you should be able to use the chalice.&nbsp; Those are the forged documents saying you own the waterfall.&nbsp; Whoever makes those decisions (or whatever mystical, impersonal judge evaluates magical usage) has been fooled.On the other hand, the example actually says that you have to channel positive energy into the chalice to make it work.&nbsp; So, while Mr mystical judge thinks you should be able to use the chalice, you never actually pump any positive energy into it, because you don't have any handy - but if you did, you'd be able to fake using it correctly.&nbsp; This is like the powerplant.&nbsp; Sure, you might be able to convince everyone that you own a waterfall, and from that you could get the permits to build a powerplant and maybe even get a loan from the bank, but once you get it built, it's still not going to make any power, because just faking the documentation doesn't make the turbines turn without some actual water flowing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="apesamongus, post: 2278269, member: 27703"] If the chalice was explained to work as "Can be used by anyone who can channel positive energy to turn undead, because they have experience and understanding of the flows of positive energy and are blessed by the gods of goodyness," then UMD obviously works. You're just presenting evidence (falsified by UMD) that you should be able to use the chalice. Those are the forged documents saying you own the waterfall. Whoever makes those decisions (or whatever mystical, impersonal judge evaluates magical usage) has been fooled. On the other hand, the example actually says that you have to channel positive energy into the chalice to make it work. So, while Mr mystical judge thinks you should be able to use the chalice, you never actually pump any positive energy into it, because you don't have any handy - but if you did, you'd be able to fake using it correctly. This is like the powerplant. Sure, you might be able to convince everyone that you own a waterfall, and from that you could get the permits to build a powerplant and maybe even get a loan from the bank, but once you get it built, it's still not going to make any power, because just faking the documentation doesn't make the turbines turn without some actual water flowing. [/QUOTE]

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