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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Odhanan" data-source="post: 2694260" data-attributes="member: 12324">If obsolete is "outmoded", then yes, games do become obsolete. That's just not what I understood by the quote. The quote makes a comparison between technology and games, and there I find this is the idea of progress, or "better games replacing bad ones" that is targeted. This is where I agree with the quote. Fundamentally, what changed in RPGs over 30 years? What objectively improved over the logic of OD&D?Role-playing immersion? The co-authors of D&D were already advocates of immersion and role-playing instead of roll-playing.Adding skills to the game? Players of OD&D are/were using the stats for it. Fundamentally there's no improvement here: this is still a die roll under/over a number picturing a related affinity of the character.Less Saves? Then whichever is good, more stats (adding skills) or less stats (reducing the number of saves)? What RPG did fundamentally improve the way RPGs were conceived prior to their publication and why, objectively? I do have opinions about which game variations I like and why. What this or that game brought to the way RPGs are conceived. But none of these opinions is a critera to demonstrate an objective technological improvement. The fact that people disagree and debate on nearly all matters of RPG design points out to me that RPGs don't become technologically and inherently obsolete. Some people consider them obsolete because they are outmoded, and this fulfills our definition #2 in this thread. But some people still play outmoded games and find them good/entertaining/satisfying for whatever they are searching for by gaming. I can't agree with this. Doesn't matter the number of people still playing a game: look at diaglo for instance: He plays OD&D, doesn't he? So the game is still in use, even if that's a half dozen guys judged "deluded" by the majority of gamers. Some people still play RIFTS, or RuneQuest, or the old Talislanta, or whatever games we can think of, unless maybe if they were, from the very start, fatally flawed in their design.</blockquote>

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