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<blockquote data-quote="WayneLigon" data-source="post: 2551986" data-attributes="member: 3649"><p>And yet every society on Earth has, and always has, engaged in such things, from European tribes to Kalihari bushmen. That's not 'Western' society or 'wealthy First World' society, that's human society. Put three people in a room and you will eventually have an unequal distribution of whatever resources are available to them.</p><p></p><p>I think <em>a</em> morality is inherent in humans. Morality deals with issues of right and wrong. Those values are determined by society, not by anything inherent in the human animal itself, but it seems that creating a society <em>is</em> inherent in humans. Put three people together and you will get a society, with a leader and followers, laws, understandings, codes of behavior, the whole nine yards. You will also get morals appropriate to the situation and what the strongest (as in, 'most capable', not really the physically strongest) can impose on everyone else. (That also seems to be a kind of circular arguement; the person or group that succeeds in imprinting everyone else with their moral code and having it perpetuated <em>is</em> the 'most capable' aside and apart from any actual merits of the moral code involved. Note, too, that they may imprint people with a different moral code than they themselves possess.)</p><p></p><p>Humans can create almost any kind of society imaginable (and probably quite a few we cannot imagine) and each of those societies are going to have a different moral code (or none, but that's usually an artificial construct - it would be fascinating to try and create a closed society that espuses no moral code but I can't even begin to imagine how you'd do that or how you'd measure the results). </p><p></p><p>That means you are going to get <em>some kind </em> of morality, ie, any group of people is going to decide that X is Good and Y is Bad. What X and Y are, though, is totally up in the air. X <em>usually </em> will not be something like 'It is good to kill and eat babies' because that hurts the survival of the society in the long run but it can and has happened that a society chooses a self-destructive path. The survivors either leave and join another society, or there are no survivors and you're left with some stone rings and fire pits for future archeologists to puzzle over.</p><p></p><p>Also, no society is static. All of them change, and what was good and true at one point can become less good and true later, or even reverse itself and become something reviled. As society changes, so does morality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneLigon, post: 2551986, member: 3649"] And yet every society on Earth has, and always has, engaged in such things, from European tribes to Kalihari bushmen. That's not 'Western' society or 'wealthy First World' society, that's human society. Put three people in a room and you will eventually have an unequal distribution of whatever resources are available to them. I think [I]a[/I] morality is inherent in humans. Morality deals with issues of right and wrong. Those values are determined by society, not by anything inherent in the human animal itself, but it seems that creating a society [I]is[/I] inherent in humans. Put three people together and you will get a society, with a leader and followers, laws, understandings, codes of behavior, the whole nine yards. You will also get morals appropriate to the situation and what the strongest (as in, 'most capable', not really the physically strongest) can impose on everyone else. (That also seems to be a kind of circular arguement; the person or group that succeeds in imprinting everyone else with their moral code and having it perpetuated [I]is[/I] the 'most capable' aside and apart from any actual merits of the moral code involved. Note, too, that they may imprint people with a different moral code than they themselves possess.) Humans can create almost any kind of society imaginable (and probably quite a few we cannot imagine) and each of those societies are going to have a different moral code (or none, but that's usually an artificial construct - it would be fascinating to try and create a closed society that espuses no moral code but I can't even begin to imagine how you'd do that or how you'd measure the results). That means you are going to get [I]some kind [/I] of morality, ie, any group of people is going to decide that X is Good and Y is Bad. What X and Y are, though, is totally up in the air. X [I]usually [/I] will not be something like 'It is good to kill and eat babies' because that hurts the survival of the society in the long run but it can and has happened that a society chooses a self-destructive path. The survivors either leave and join another society, or there are no survivors and you're left with some stone rings and fire pits for future archeologists to puzzle over. Also, no society is static. All of them change, and what was good and true at one point can become less good and true later, or even reverse itself and become something reviled. As society changes, so does morality. [/QUOTE]
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