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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7869760" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Well, of course, every table is different. We had issues even in 1E and 2E, certainly. My point is there are a lot of rules missing or incomplete or vague, left yo to the DM and table to figure out. I understand much of this was intentional, but for myself I would prefer more concrete rules to argue over! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />DS could have been written "Your character treats darkness as if it were bright light up to 120 feet away. It has no affect on dim light conditions." if that was their intent.Except DS is balanced, especially if you rule it has no affect on dim light (which is the SA for those who care) which DV does help with. Warlocks have few eldritch invocations at their disposal, one of them allowing the PC to see in the dark is hardly overbalancing IMO and IME. If your players with DV are whining about it, remind them that they are liking getting it at no cost as part of their race.</blockquote>