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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9017104" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah this is on the writers, very solidly. It's like, if you're saying "Be a human raised by Vulcans, who wants to live like a Vulcan, but is conflicted", you're asking a goddamn lot, and you'd better be prepared to back that up with some fairly stellar writing for the actor to work from. And they just didn't give her that material, so they basically spent two seasons messing around before going "Okay I guess just have her stop being like that?", and yeah she is better since she stopped but sheesh.Also I have to agree with "boring hetro" re: Michael, because like, you can non-boring hetero characters/relationships, it's been done plenty of times, but there's are certain kinds of relationship which is very boring, and they managed to drag out two of them for Michael. It was actually kind of 1990s, when I think about it - Michael has first this super-angsty eyeroll-inducing deal with Ash Tyler (who was quite well acted but argh the writing), and then we have The Blandest Rogue In The Galaxy, somehow making Chris Pratt's Starlord look edgy as hell, Booker.There's zero doubt that much of the really angry stuff has come from people with bigoted views (some just from the usual "angry at new Trek series" mob who auto-spawn whenever a new Trek show appears too of course), but a lot of the frustration I've seen has come from people who are part of the communities its representing - I've never seen much excitement for Michael on Black Twitter for example - whereas SNW Uhura and Doctor M'Benga absolutely did get some. Bury Your Gays has been mentioned, and Adira is representation, but not a particularly compelling character (and at least the couple of NB Trek fans I know were keen to point this out to me). So the accusations of tokenism don't ring entirely hollow, though I'd say they're not quite right, either. And the problem with Michael as lead was she wasn't actually "in charge" until what, S3? S4? I forget, which made the show following her around when she wasn't a terribly interesting character (entirely the fault of the writers totally fumbling the ball on her portrayal) a bit of a... well... choice. They did manage to improve her though.I think mostly it gets singled out because it's new. ENT is clearly much worse if we're ranking Trek shows, and VOY arguably is too though a lot of people are ride-or-die for Seven and EMH.</blockquote>

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