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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7862812" data-attributes="member: 996">There were a few places where a martial class's exploits or features ran aground on "but that'd be Controller turf."Compare & contrast what you could do with a polearm build in 3e vs 4e, for instance.  The former would've, if taken wholesale into 4e, stomped all over the battlefield-control (heck, some 3.x fighter builds were called battlefield-control) and minion-sweeping functions of the Controller role.The Warlord commanding a nominal unit of troops like some sort of 'pet class' could certainly have been another.  So could the 'Hector' style of Warlord pointed out by Wrecan, had there been a lot more such exploits available.</blockquote>