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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7865747" data-attributes="member: 996">Except Bards are explicitly arcane, and clerics explicitly divine, while Shamans can gain their supernatural powers from secret knowledge, service to a higher power, negotiated pacts with familiar spirits, nature in the abstract, or some form of Animism - mostly that last, which is not well-represented by any of the three classes you mention.Though the Druid is the closest - if you discount it's overlap with the cleric and history as a cleric sub-class - it'd arguably make more sense for the culture-specific Druid to be a sub-class of a broader 'Old-religion'/Primal/Animistic Shaman class.Well, psionics has had multiple incarnations in past editions and accumulated not just sub-classes but full classes:PsionPsionicistPsychic WarriorSoul KnifeArdentBattlemindetc..(even Monk in one ed).Add to that PrCs and Paragon Path concepts, and that should be a reasonable number of sub-classes.But, it's not alone.The Warlord had 6 builds, plus archery, plus the unofficial lazy-lord fan-build that eventually got some official support, plus paragon paths and concepts that it's Leader role prevented developing, thus:WarlordInspiringTacticalBravuraResourcefulSkirmishingInsightfulArchery'Lazy''Hector'etc..The Shaman has in some form or another, been in most past editions, and got multiple builds in 4e:ShamanHumanoid Shaman (TSR era)Shukenja (OA)Spirit ShamanDragon ShamanAnimist ShamanBear ShamanEagle ShamanPanther ShamanWorld Speaker ShamanThe Warden was a PH2 class that received zero post-E support, but, even so, had 4 builds...WardenEarthLifeStormWild(If one still found the shaman wanting, the warden could be folded into it, I suppose.)The Rune Priest, likewise:RunePriestDefiantWrathfulRune MasterRune of MendingRunic Artistry"Dedicated" Summoner doesn't ring a bell, but off the top of my head, you could give it sub-classes based on what it summons with no less validity than a Wizard's schools:SummonerDemonDevilCelestialShadowFeyAnimalElementalDjinn (Sha'ir?)</blockquote>

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