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<blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 1636640" data-attributes="member: 264"><p>Yes indeed. Tattoos, by there very permanent nature and their cachet as being "outside mainstream culture" (though less so every day admittedly <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) are used as identifiers and message senders for their wearers. Common messages that Tattoos send are...</p><p></p><p>"<em>I'm tough</em>"</p><p>"<em>I'm rebellious</em>"</p><p>"<em>I'm creative</em>"</p><p>"<em>I'm an ex-convict</em><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />"</p><p></p><p>If you, Umbran, are about to post about a hypothetical person who is doing it for a reason outside of those listed above, please understand that the list is not--and isn't intended to be-- complete.</p><p></p><p>If you are about to toss out a hypothetical someone who is wearing it "simply because it looks nice", I'll agree that message exists...it is "I'm Vain". But you can express vanity in any number of ways, most of them are not thought to be cool. Tattoos at this point in history--by the nature of the difficulty and pain associated with their application--come with certain other messages attached (see above)</p><p></p><p>Now, people wearing <em>fake</em> tattoos are attempting to send a false message to viewers, and if they are wearing it "only for themelves, and they don't care what other people think"...then they are sending a false message to themselves. They are adopting an identifier that they have in no way earned and do not deserve.</p><p></p><p>I used the term "False Person" earlier in the thread because it made a nice quote, but I will spell it out in more common parlance: </p><p></p><p><strong>False Person=Poser</strong></p><p></p><p>If you need me to define "poser", I will. But I suspect you understand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Loving body art but being unable to be satisfied with any particular image forever" is a message all it's own: "<em>I'm indecisive</em>". A false tattoo sends <em>that</em> particular message beautifully. Along with "I can't handle pain" , "I'm Cheap" and "I'm Afraid"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Heh, Straw Man arguments will get you no where young man<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>If you <em>really</em> needed me to state unequivocally that my comments were specific to western society before you could assume that, then I feel sorry for your grasp of the semi-obvious.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will agree with you both.</p><p></p><p>Kamikaze Midget: Yes a person's body is their playground.</p><p></p><p>Umbran: Yes, I am allowed to call someone false (for whatever reason I believe to be true). They are adopting visual signifiers that they do not deserve. I attribute the same traits to these "False Persons" that I attribute to all posers. I think of them in the same manner that I think of "Suburban-White-kid-Gangstas".</p><p></p><p>Their adoption of inner-city black accents, mannerisms, clothing and attitudes paints them very, very clearly as Posers. They are as false as false can be. The messages they are attempting to send are...</p><p></p><p>"I'm tough"</p><p>"I have street cred"</p><p>"I am Dangerous"</p><p></p><p>...but it doesn't work, because there is no legitmacy to the pose. They have adopted visual signifiers that they have not earned.</p><p></p><p>Same thing with Fake Tattoo Posers.</p><p></p><p>[eidt: Correction - my apologies. You are allowed to say whatever you like about folks with temporary tatoos. Just like folks are allowed to look at TB's tats and call him "white trash" for them, and think he's an ignorant clod. But being allowed doesn't make it any the less wrong-headed, now does it?]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>People can call me whatever names they want, and I'll listen to whatever they have to say on the subject. If they can <em>explain</em> why I am "white-trash ignorant clod" I'm all ears.</p><p></p><p>Me? I can explain why fake tattoo folks are False<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Your mileage, obviously, varies.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Teflon Billy, post: 1636640, member: 264"] Yes indeed. Tattoos, by there very permanent nature and their cachet as being "outside mainstream culture" (though less so every day admittedly :)) are used as identifiers and message senders for their wearers. Common messages that Tattoos send are... "[I]I'm tough[/I]" "[I]I'm rebellious[/I]" "[I]I'm creative[/I]" "[I]I'm an ex-convict[/I]:)" If you, Umbran, are about to post about a hypothetical person who is doing it for a reason outside of those listed above, please understand that the list is not--and isn't intended to be-- complete. If you are about to toss out a hypothetical someone who is wearing it "simply because it looks nice", I'll agree that message exists...it is "I'm Vain". But you can express vanity in any number of ways, most of them are not thought to be cool. Tattoos at this point in history--by the nature of the difficulty and pain associated with their application--come with certain other messages attached (see above) Now, people wearing [I]fake[/I] tattoos are attempting to send a false message to viewers, and if they are wearing it "only for themelves, and they don't care what other people think"...then they are sending a false message to themselves. They are adopting an identifier that they have in no way earned and do not deserve. I used the term "False Person" earlier in the thread because it made a nice quote, but I will spell it out in more common parlance: [b]False Person=Poser[/b] If you need me to define "poser", I will. But I suspect you understand. "Loving body art but being unable to be satisfied with any particular image forever" is a message all it's own: "[i]I'm indecisive[/i]". A false tattoo sends [i]that[/i] particular message beautifully. Along with "I can't handle pain" , "I'm Cheap" and "I'm Afraid" Heh, Straw Man arguments will get you no where young man:) If you [I]really[/I] needed me to state unequivocally that my comments were specific to western society before you could assume that, then I feel sorry for your grasp of the semi-obvious. I will agree with you both. Kamikaze Midget: Yes a person's body is their playground. Umbran: Yes, I am allowed to call someone false (for whatever reason I believe to be true). They are adopting visual signifiers that they do not deserve. I attribute the same traits to these "False Persons" that I attribute to all posers. I think of them in the same manner that I think of "Suburban-White-kid-Gangstas". Their adoption of inner-city black accents, mannerisms, clothing and attitudes paints them very, very clearly as Posers. They are as false as false can be. The messages they are attempting to send are... "I'm tough" "I have street cred" "I am Dangerous" ...but it doesn't work, because there is no legitmacy to the pose. They have adopted visual signifiers that they have not earned. Same thing with Fake Tattoo Posers. [eidt: Correction - my apologies. You are allowed to say whatever you like about folks with temporary tatoos. Just like folks are allowed to look at TB's tats and call him "white trash" for them, and think he's an ignorant clod. But being allowed doesn't make it any the less wrong-headed, now does it?][/QUOTE] People can call me whatever names they want, and I'll listen to whatever they have to say on the subject. If they can [i]explain[/i] why I am "white-trash ignorant clod" I'm all ears. Me? I can explain why fake tattoo folks are False:) Your mileage, obviously, varies. [/QUOTE]
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