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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4876176" data-attributes="member: 72317">This implies that a human spellcaster lich is presumably as challenging as 2 non-lich spellcasters of identical build (eg: a sorc20 lich will be as tricky to overcome as 2 human sorc20s). I personally feel that is certainly not the case. The dr is inconsequential since such attacks should not be affecting a spellcaster much, if at all (plus at higher lvs, the damage reduced likely represents a small fraction of the damage a fighter can throw out). The other benefits are fairly minor. Your lich should not be attacking with its touch attack under any circumstances (though I suppose it might be handy if the fighter ever provokes an AoO from you for any reason). As for the weak fort save, well, that is why I recommended necropolitan, since you still get all basic undead traits at cr+0. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>