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Message: <blockquote data-quote="carborundum" data-source="post: 4972600" data-attributes="member: 49284">Thanks! I totally want them to have to shift tactics, so incorporeal somethings with fly-by attack was my first thought. Basically let it fly into their chest and out the other side, leaving them gasping for breath (and down some Str or Con).Nilbogs would be a great idea - they have not got that much healing (Muhahahahaha!) - there's a VoP druid, a handy haversack full of potions, and a few wands of Cure Light. They'd have to grapple the Nilbogs one by one and force potions down their necks! Official Nilbogs couldn't do anything with the party AC except harass the wizard, unfortunately. Unless... I make a few sorceror 5s with Fireball <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Describe them as Aztec underworld beasies, blessed by Camazotz. Use Nilbog stats as a starting point, I could let healing and cold hurt them... oh yeah, this will be nice! Maybe have some of them throwing green slime around or some other sort of touch attacks. Simultaneously have the spectre doing it's thing - nice and chaotic, plenty of enemies for action economy balance... going to be a memorable scene!If you're readying for a spectre, would you get a minus on your Reflex saves? (giggle)Thanks for the ideas, you've got me started again! Any more? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" /></blockquote>

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