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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 6329394" data-attributes="member: 5889">So this thread has spurned some interesting debate!Just wanted to clarify a few things:1) The purpose of this thread wasn't to point out a Fighter's dominance of a Wizard or anything of the sort. It was to highlight how effective one of the Fighter's new tricks can be. As for the fighter's attack, shove or no shove you aren't going to take the wizard out in one round, the fighter just can't do enough damage shield or no shield.2) I've had people frequently question the dex score of Wizards I've used. So lets see what makes the most sense.I will use a human wizard as the baseline. If I go with the standard scores of 15,14,13,12,10,88 (9) str13 (14) dex14 (15) con15 (16) Int12 (13) Wis10 (11) ChaI personally think most wizards will bump their Int and Con scores. Int of course, and then Con has some of the biggest bang for the buck, it increase their hitpoints by percentage more than other classes...and help them absorb the damage of both blade and spell. But the argument could be made for some dex, so I will spread the love around a bit.The wizards gets a total of +10 ability points to gain by 20th level. I will put 4 in int, 3 in con, 2 in dex, 1 in wis.So my final wizard has:Str: 9Dex: 16Con: 18Int: 20Wis: 14Cha: 12So this seems like a reasonable baseline to make our assertions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 6329394, member: 5889"] So this thread has spurned some interesting debate! Just wanted to clarify a few things: 1) The purpose of this thread wasn't to point out a Fighter's dominance of a Wizard or anything of the sort. It was to highlight how effective one of the Fighter's new tricks can be. As for the fighter's attack, shove or no shove you aren't going to take the wizard out in one round, the fighter just can't do enough damage shield or no shield. 2) I've had people frequently question the dex score of Wizards I've used. So lets see what makes the most sense. I will use a human wizard as the baseline. If I go with the standard scores of 15,14,13,12,10,8 8 (9) str 13 (14) dex 14 (15) con 15 (16) Int 12 (13) Wis 10 (11) Cha I personally think most wizards will bump their Int and Con scores. Int of course, and then Con has some of the biggest bang for the buck, it increase their hitpoints by percentage more than other classes...and help them absorb the damage of both blade and spell. But the argument could be made for some dex, so I will spread the love around a bit. The wizards gets a total of +10 ability points to gain by 20th level. I will put 4 in int, 3 in con, 2 in dex, 1 in wis. So my final wizard has: Str: 9 Dex: 16 Con: 18 Int: 20 Wis: 14 Cha: 12 So this seems like a reasonable baseline to make our assertions. [/QUOTE]

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