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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 1548428" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Well, i can't find it...</p><p></p><p></p><p>A large portion of the world which also includes a percentage of your customers disagrees. What you call 'protecting' others call an 'overreaction'. You might not disagree, but that doesn't change how customers feel and react.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've done 'some' research in the past and i'd like to think that i'm keeping up with what's possible and what isn't. I kind of have to in my line of business (my job requires me to know computers), although i'm certainly not a professional programmer or a hacker. I do understand how computers work, what is transmitted, how that can be altered, etc.</p><p></p><p>The real problem is that it isn't really impossible to find the culprit, but if you do, your breaking dozens of laws in multiple countries. Or your stuck requesting information from dozens of different server admins from dozens of different countries, that have made it their business to provide unanymous proxies. So legally your not going anywhere.</p><p></p><p>There's of course the option that the person posted the file with his home e-mail address, from home, has an own website and lists his home address on the site. He's got a signpost on the door that reads "I'm 733T! All your files belong to us! Pirates inside!". Even then there's an enourmous amount of time, money, effort, and still the possibility of failure involved.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You know how much money your talking about here, any clue at all? No probably not. If you did, i'm certain that you would know that Moberon couldn't afford it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's 1.2 million stolen, removed, can't be spent by someone else. 'pirating' involves the copying of data, there's no difinitive proof that it involves loss of income. Big difference imho.</p><p></p><p></p><p>8 years in the can vs. a lifetime of hardship... Hmm... What to choose... Can!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wasn't this thread (or this entire forum) a matter of opinion?</p><p></p><p>Moberon (or any other creative person that publishes) will either continue to produce products or he won't, if 'piracy' has any impact on this, he didn't think it through in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Is that line of reasoning not 'ok' by you? Who cares! No one beside myself really cares about my line of reasoning, some might agree with it, others don't.</p><p></p><p>The world is accepting 'piracy' more and more, i think that it's got it's up and down sides. Too many people now think that everything is free, especially younger people, i've heard too many youths shout "I'M NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING I CAN GET FOR FREE! (More booz in the pub!)". That's not a good attitude in my opinion. On the other hand, the social changes a break down of copyrights/patents might entail is appealing. Sure, some people will loose their jobs (atleast the people at the patent bureau ;-) but other jobs will be created, they always do (industrial revelution anyone?). Just look at some of the larger computer companies, more and more of them are concentrating on services instead of more traditional computer related fields.</p><p></p><p>But let's not forget that Moberon is perfectly fine with downloading anime fansubs, which is also illegal (but not action is really taken against it). But when it happens to his own material, he considers sueing someone into financial ruin...</p><p></p><p></p><p>*whoosh* totally over my head... ;-)</p><p></p><p></p><p>And non of those is dutch, dammit! ;-)</p><p>I do to btw. Money going to the people who create the stuff i enjoy, that is.</p><p></p><p>Fictional:</p><p>Let's say a kid has only 5 bucks, he has the option of buying Moberon's pdf or a D&D Esd from SVGames. He likes both, but has only money to buy one, it seems that the D&D Esd will get a bit more use then The Valley of Frozen Tears. Which one should he buy?</p><p>1.) The D&D Esd.</p><p>2.) The Valley of Frozen Tears.</p><p>3.) Buy option 1, download option 2.</p><p>4.) Buy option 2, download option 1.</p><p>5.) Screw them all, download them both, the $5 should go to boozzz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 1548428, member: 725"] Well, i can't find it... A large portion of the world which also includes a percentage of your customers disagrees. What you call 'protecting' others call an 'overreaction'. You might not disagree, but that doesn't change how customers feel and react. I've done 'some' research in the past and i'd like to think that i'm keeping up with what's possible and what isn't. I kind of have to in my line of business (my job requires me to know computers), although i'm certainly not a professional programmer or a hacker. I do understand how computers work, what is transmitted, how that can be altered, etc. The real problem is that it isn't really impossible to find the culprit, but if you do, your breaking dozens of laws in multiple countries. Or your stuck requesting information from dozens of different server admins from dozens of different countries, that have made it their business to provide unanymous proxies. So legally your not going anywhere. There's of course the option that the person posted the file with his home e-mail address, from home, has an own website and lists his home address on the site. He's got a signpost on the door that reads "I'm 733T! All your files belong to us! Pirates inside!". Even then there's an enourmous amount of time, money, effort, and still the possibility of failure involved. You know how much money your talking about here, any clue at all? No probably not. If you did, i'm certain that you would know that Moberon couldn't afford it. That's 1.2 million stolen, removed, can't be spent by someone else. 'pirating' involves the copying of data, there's no difinitive proof that it involves loss of income. Big difference imho. 8 years in the can vs. a lifetime of hardship... Hmm... What to choose... Can! Wasn't this thread (or this entire forum) a matter of opinion? Moberon (or any other creative person that publishes) will either continue to produce products or he won't, if 'piracy' has any impact on this, he didn't think it through in the first place. Is that line of reasoning not 'ok' by you? Who cares! No one beside myself really cares about my line of reasoning, some might agree with it, others don't. The world is accepting 'piracy' more and more, i think that it's got it's up and down sides. Too many people now think that everything is free, especially younger people, i've heard too many youths shout "I'M NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING I CAN GET FOR FREE! (More booz in the pub!)". That's not a good attitude in my opinion. On the other hand, the social changes a break down of copyrights/patents might entail is appealing. Sure, some people will loose their jobs (atleast the people at the patent bureau ;-) but other jobs will be created, they always do (industrial revelution anyone?). Just look at some of the larger computer companies, more and more of them are concentrating on services instead of more traditional computer related fields. But let's not forget that Moberon is perfectly fine with downloading anime fansubs, which is also illegal (but not action is really taken against it). But when it happens to his own material, he considers sueing someone into financial ruin... *whoosh* totally over my head... ;-) And non of those is dutch, dammit! ;-) I do to btw. Money going to the people who create the stuff i enjoy, that is. Fictional: Let's say a kid has only 5 bucks, he has the option of buying Moberon's pdf or a D&D Esd from SVGames. He likes both, but has only money to buy one, it seems that the D&D Esd will get a bit more use then The Valley of Frozen Tears. Which one should he buy? 1.) The D&D Esd. 2.) The Valley of Frozen Tears. 3.) Buy option 1, download option 2. 4.) Buy option 2, download option 1. 5.) Screw them all, download them both, the $5 should go to boozzz. [/QUOTE]
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