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<blockquote data-quote="Thasmodious" data-source="post: 4681195" data-attributes="member: 63272"><p>It does give you that right. You can make a copy for personal use. If you own a copy of the book and have a copy of said book in digital form on your PC, how does it matter from where that digital came? Scanning it is fine, but getting it scanned from someone else isn't? That doesn't make any sense. </p><p></p><p>While I am no lawyer, I think any prosecutor would have a hard time proving you did anything wrong if you downloaded copies of things you own. A .pdf of a book, DRM free copies of songs you have on CD, things like that. </p><p></p><p>And I definitely don't see the case that downloading a copy of something you already own is somehow immoral. That just doesn't make any sense. You bought the book, you wish to make a copy of it, so you do. Whether you make the copy by scanning it yourself or acquiring a .pdf scan or use a copier and stick the pages in a binder, its all the same. The end result is you get your copy, that you are legally allowed to have.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If your friends own the PHB, too, you would be wrong. How can you pirate things you already own? You can't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Didn't say you did. That is distributing copyrighted material. That is illegal. That is not what you are doing if you and your friends all own the PHB and you happen to be the only one with a scanner. You are not making it available to people to possess illegally. Everyone who would get a copy from your scan has the legal right to such a copy. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because I already did. I bought the book. I shouldn't have to pay the same cost to have a copy of the book. And I won't, incidentally. I can copy the book, scan the book, download a copy of the book... it's all the same. Sure, the site I download the book from may well be an illegal operation, making such things available to the public for free. But I am not using it in that manner, I am exercising my rights as a consumer in regards to something I purchased. Again, I would love to see a prosecutor go after someone for having a digital copy of something they legally bought.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm genuinely surprised that there is contention over this point. Sure, it would be nice if the pirate sites could be shut down. Well, not really. I am glad for the existence of piracy as long as the industries involved continue to try and strip their consumers of their basic fair use rights and tell us how many times we can play their game or how many devices we can put the music we bought on and things like that. But that is another discussion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Two different products, not the same thing at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thasmodious, post: 4681195, member: 63272"] It does give you that right. You can make a copy for personal use. If you own a copy of the book and have a copy of said book in digital form on your PC, how does it matter from where that digital came? Scanning it is fine, but getting it scanned from someone else isn't? That doesn't make any sense. While I am no lawyer, I think any prosecutor would have a hard time proving you did anything wrong if you downloaded copies of things you own. A .pdf of a book, DRM free copies of songs you have on CD, things like that. And I definitely don't see the case that downloading a copy of something you already own is somehow immoral. That just doesn't make any sense. You bought the book, you wish to make a copy of it, so you do. Whether you make the copy by scanning it yourself or acquiring a .pdf scan or use a copier and stick the pages in a binder, its all the same. The end result is you get your copy, that you are legally allowed to have. If your friends own the PHB, too, you would be wrong. How can you pirate things you already own? You can't. Didn't say you did. That is distributing copyrighted material. That is illegal. That is not what you are doing if you and your friends all own the PHB and you happen to be the only one with a scanner. You are not making it available to people to possess illegally. Everyone who would get a copy from your scan has the legal right to such a copy. Because I already did. I bought the book. I shouldn't have to pay the same cost to have a copy of the book. And I won't, incidentally. I can copy the book, scan the book, download a copy of the book... it's all the same. Sure, the site I download the book from may well be an illegal operation, making such things available to the public for free. But I am not using it in that manner, I am exercising my rights as a consumer in regards to something I purchased. Again, I would love to see a prosecutor go after someone for having a digital copy of something they legally bought. I'm genuinely surprised that there is contention over this point. Sure, it would be nice if the pirate sites could be shut down. Well, not really. I am glad for the existence of piracy as long as the industries involved continue to try and strip their consumers of their basic fair use rights and tell us how many times we can play their game or how many devices we can put the music we bought on and things like that. But that is another discussion. Two different products, not the same thing at all. [/QUOTE]
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