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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 948878" data-attributes="member: 876">Re: Re: Pissed about the reduction of the Spell Focus FeatsI guess I have to throw some observations in on this issue. The first one is this: In general terms, no normal D&D players make this analysis except for the hard-core minority who crunch numbers and visit D&D websites daily.I've been playing wekly with a group of players in our 20s and 30s since 3rd Edition came out (even before, we were using 2nd Edition). We've all played AD&D as kids in the '80s, and are generally pretty bright. And yet none of my fellow players has ever thought to memorize what kinds of classes and monsters have which bad saves and target spells precisely against those saves. No spellcaster has ever taken the Spell Focus feat in 3 years of playing (in at least 3 different campaigns with numerous rotating PCs in each).So in practice, it doesn't look to me like those "compare only to bad saves" statistics are anywhere near as relevant in a large majority of play sessions. I suppose one could ask: Should we balance the rules for a median game or a worst-case min-max game? But then the other factor is that we don't use FRCS (or whatever) so no one's ever seen Greater Spell Focus, and apparently no one's ever thought that +2 to DCs to one single school of magic was worth the bother (including me).I agree with the posters who think the proper solution would be to deep-six Greater Spell Focus. From what I've seen, from non-grand-master-level players, without the FRCS rules, you could have told that Spell Focus was being increased and I would have thought that it was justified, since I've never seen anyone value it enough to take it yet.</blockquote>

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