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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thels" data-source="post: 949202" data-attributes="member: 12176">Actually, GSF was not in the PHB before. It was in the FRCS, which is optional and doesn't apply to regular DnD. Why they're now including it and therefor trying to balance it is kinda beyond me. I'd rather see it that they stay at +2/+4 and require some mundane feat to be taken 1st or set level requirements for them.Or maybe like SF gives you a +1 and increases to +2 once you reached level 4 or something like that. then GSF requires level 7 and ups it to +3 and +4 once you got to level 10. They're worth it if you know they'll be better later on.FRCS already has some cheesy feats anyhow. Take Spellcasting Prodigy for example. That gives a +1 DC for ALL schools and 1 or 2 bonus spells on top of that. If you combine all that silly stuff, of course DC's go through the roof.I'm not happy with PrC classes improving DC's. Either players will need to take it in order to have a decent DC and then everyone and their brother has to take it or they'll suck, or everyone already has a decent DC and that would make it go through the roof. Just have a PrC that gives SF and GSF for free.I'd rather just keep SF and GSF to +2/+4 and add Greater IW/LR/GF to balance it out.</blockquote>