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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 954320" data-attributes="member: 1757">This is about the most egregious example of a strawman argument that I've ever seen on these boards. Where the heck did you get from a relatively straightforward post that I think this? Please do not put such words in my mouth.The entire point is that a wizard who doesn't take Spell Penetration shouldn't have all that great a chance of lobbing spells at a spell-resistant foe. The titan's SR is one of its principal defenses. It's a CR 21 monster. If you're a 20th-level wizard without Spell Penetration facing a CR 21 outsider, you'd better be aware that fewer than half the spells you cast are going to get through. That's how the system works. Complaining that wizards have no chance of affecting the titan with direct-damage spells misses the point that, unless you're reasonably optimized (ONE feat! Count it!) to deal with an SR creature, you're not supposed to be throwing spells at it. A wizard who doesn't have Spell Focus and Spell Penetration shouldn't be throwing save-or-consequences spells at a titan. The wizard's better off using metamagically-enhanced buffing spells or metamagicked evocation spells (target the titan's weak save AND do damage even on a successful save). And yes, that is how it works. Moreover, wizards have a really nice advantage; they don't need to expose themselves to damage in order to deal it. A wizard faced with a spell resistant creature with good saves and immunities is merely going to find that he's forced to spend more resources to fight it than, say, one or two spells (hardly 20% of the wizard's resources, let alone the party's). Even were the wizard forced to sit out the combat, that would only be comparable to what other classes are faced with in different situations: The rogue vs. undead and constructs, the fighter vs. invisible/ranged attacking creatures or deadly bricks like the remorhaz, colossal monstrous scorpion, or tarrasque; the cleric vs... well, any monster that requires him to spend his actions healing fellow party members.</blockquote>

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