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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 4028863" data-attributes="member: 32164">You sure?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yes, there's a certain &quot;margin of error&quot; in my numbers. But I couldn't get the Pit Fiend even close without finding around another +10. Given the Paladin's &quot;divine grace,&quot; a Charisma bonus to defenses made sense to me as something a devil might get. And, as I said, the Paladin's &quot;divine grace&quot; provides a precedent.My &quot;+1 here, +2 there&quot; and &quot;+3 someplace else.&quot; is similarly based on a precedent. That precedent, in this case, is the Star Wars Saga Edition. In SAGA, characters get &quot;kickers&quot; to their defenses of between +0 and +2 (for base classes), or ones as high as +3 (for Prestige Classes). Those vary from class to class, with each class having specialties. No class gets +2 to all three. IIRC, Jedi get a +1 to every defense. If I had my SAGA book handy, I'd give you a better example. I'll get back to you on that. Suffice to say that a 10th-level SAGA character might have defense values of FORT 23, REF 21, WILL 22 (without factoring in stat bonuses or equipment). One difference should be noted: SAGA increases defenses by +1/level, not +1/2 levels as Fourth Edition does.By contrast, deriving an AC bonus from Str, while it can be justified, is a totally new concept that lacks precedent. Because of that, I find it less than convincing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 4028863, member: 32164"] You sure? ;) Yes, there's a certain "margin of error" in my numbers. But I couldn't get the Pit Fiend even [i]close[/i] without finding around another +10. Given the Paladin's "divine grace," a Charisma bonus to defenses made sense to me as something a devil [i]might[/i] get. And, as I said, the Paladin's "divine grace" provides a precedent. My "+1 here, +2 there" and "+3 someplace else." is similarly based on a precedent. That precedent, in this case, is the [i]Star Wars Saga Edition[/i]. In SAGA, characters get "kickers" to their defenses of between +0 and +2 (for base classes), or ones as high as +3 (for Prestige Classes). Those vary from class to class, with each class having specialties. No class gets +2 to all three. IIRC, Jedi get a +1 to every defense. If I had my SAGA book handy, I'd give you a better example. I'll get back to you on that. Suffice to say that a 10th-level SAGA character might have defense values of FORT 23, REF 21, WILL 22 (without factoring in stat bonuses or equipment). One difference should be noted: SAGA increases defenses by +1/level, not +1/2 levels as Fourth Edition does. By contrast, deriving an AC bonus from Str, while it can be [i]justified,[/i] is a totally new concept that lacks precedent. Because of that, I find it less than convincing. [/QUOTE]

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