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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Epametheus" data-source="post: 1081649" data-attributes="member: 719">How I'd expect match-up between a generic balor and generic pit-fiend to go is pretty simple -- either they'd spam Mass Hold Monster/Dominate Monster at each other until one finally botched the save, or one of them would realize that the battle was too even for either of them to win and teleport away.  A balor might not care about having 50/50 odds, but the pit-fiend most certainly would care.It looks like pit-fiends are actually superior in melee now (the unarmed attack for the balor seems to have been nerfed a little).However, if you're basing a quest around these guys, they shouldn't be measly generics.  Realistically (as much as such a term could apply to DnD), Pit Fiends and Balors are unholy generals of the highest order, and can pretty much acquire whatever the hell they want.  I can easily picture a balor lugging around a huge +5 holy anarchic lawful-outsider bane silvered great-axe for the sole purpose of smiting the hated baatezu.  Yeah, it'll suffer a negative level whenever it picks up Ghrn'sha the Devil Splitter, but when you live in Hell, suffering some slight discomfort is a small price to pay for victory.And if the Pit Fiend needs the PCs to help it against the Balor, then the Balor probably needs the PCs to help it against the Pit Fiend.  Have both sides competing for the loyalty (and quite possibly, souls) of the PCs.</blockquote>