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<blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 3484164" data-attributes="member: 12872"><p>I have to disagree. This pixie has 26 charisma, and thus a DC 20 fortitude save for the sleep and memory loss arrows. It's got a +10 to hit with its bow...so let's say we're fighting 2 trolls, which is pretty fair at 5th level party. It's hitting the troll fully 80% of the time (+12 total bonus due to attacking from invisibility vs. 16 AC) and the troll is failing its save fully 40% of the time...and this is a monster with a very high fort save for its level. DC 20 is not negligible at level 5. What this means is pixie can solo one of the trolls while the rest of the party rapes the other. I suppose <em>Deep Slumber</em> can do the same thing with a greater chance of success. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, she begins as an ECL 5 character, a level 1 pixie rogue. She's got 6 HP, but she's also got 22 AC, permanent <em>greater invisibility </em>, natural flight, and DR 10/cold iron. I could see where an assassin with <em>see invisibility</em>, <em>fly</em>, and a cold iron weapon would give her a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Excellent points.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually encouraged the choice. She's going rogue/spymaster and is currently posing as a gnome, story wise it's going to work out great. As was said earlier, I can always axe the arrows. They're really not *that* vulnerable either. The player understands that her pixie can be detected with things that can see invisible creatures, but she also understands that she can fly at will, and pretend to be innocuous.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because Trolls don't have to buy Scent. Yes, it says they sometimes have them, but when, why, and how is never discussed. "Pixie Shop" didn't spring to mind when I was thinking of ways to balance it. I don't own any books that have the stupid things for sale so I've got no basis of comparison. The nearest thing is that DMG sleep arrow with its whopping DC 11 save, which isn't really a comparison at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why in the world would you be under that impression? Because I think unlimited DC 20 sleep arrows at level 5 are broken? I have the foresight to question the balance of a single extraordinary ability, but not to understand 1+4=5? That's like a Lawlasaurus Rex.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you want me to be an idiot? I do not understand this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old Gumphrey, post: 3484164, member: 12872"] I have to disagree. This pixie has 26 charisma, and thus a DC 20 fortitude save for the sleep and memory loss arrows. It's got a +10 to hit with its bow...so let's say we're fighting 2 trolls, which is pretty fair at 5th level party. It's hitting the troll fully 80% of the time (+12 total bonus due to attacking from invisibility vs. 16 AC) and the troll is failing its save fully 40% of the time...and this is a monster with a very high fort save for its level. DC 20 is not negligible at level 5. What this means is pixie can solo one of the trolls while the rest of the party rapes the other. I suppose [I]Deep Slumber[/I] can do the same thing with a greater chance of success. Well, she begins as an ECL 5 character, a level 1 pixie rogue. She's got 6 HP, but she's also got 22 AC, permanent [I]greater invisibility [/I], natural flight, and DR 10/cold iron. I could see where an assassin with [I]see invisibility[/I], [I]fly[/I], and a cold iron weapon would give her a problem. Excellent points. I actually encouraged the choice. She's going rogue/spymaster and is currently posing as a gnome, story wise it's going to work out great. As was said earlier, I can always axe the arrows. They're really not *that* vulnerable either. The player understands that her pixie can be detected with things that can see invisible creatures, but she also understands that she can fly at will, and pretend to be innocuous. Because Trolls don't have to buy Scent. Yes, it says they sometimes have them, but when, why, and how is never discussed. "Pixie Shop" didn't spring to mind when I was thinking of ways to balance it. I don't own any books that have the stupid things for sale so I've got no basis of comparison. The nearest thing is that DMG sleep arrow with its whopping DC 11 save, which isn't really a comparison at all. Why in the world would you be under that impression? Because I think unlimited DC 20 sleep arrows at level 5 are broken? I have the foresight to question the balance of a single extraordinary ability, but not to understand 1+4=5? That's like a Lawlasaurus Rex. Why do you want me to be an idiot? I do not understand this. [/QUOTE]
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