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<blockquote data-quote="Mephistopheles" data-source="post: 1181379" data-attributes="member: 4460">Planar binding could do it, but it's hardly a good bet for an 11th level caster trying to nab a Leonal. Even with a calling diagram it's only even odds. Planar ally will work so long as you don't make totally unreasonable requests of the called creature. I guess that's what you get for your 250XP.&lt;overanalysis&gt;Assuming I have all my numbers correct...The Leonal may or may not fail the Will save and be called (it has about a 50% chance to make a&nbsp; Will save vs DC 21, assuming caster attribute modifier of +5 and no other DC modifiers). It would then very likely break out of the magic circle laid to trap it (80% chance of SR 28 beating the 11th level caster level check). If it failed to beat the caster level check it would then need to make a Charisma check vs DC 20 (assuming no caster Charisma bonus, about a 15% chance of success). Chances are better if a calling diagram is used. The calling diagram means the called creature can't use SR to escape, and also increases the Charisma check DC by 5 (to DC 25 in this case, impossible for the Leonal with a Charisma modifier of +2). This removes both avenues of escape for the Leonal so if it fails its Will save and is called into a calling diagram it is trapped.All up an 11th level caster using planar binding to bind a Leonal has about an 8.5% chance of doing so successfully, or a 50% chance of success if a calling diagram is used. If no calling diagram is used the other 41.5% between outright failure (Leonal passing the Will save) and successful trapping results in a called but untrapped Leonal.&lt;/overanalysis&gt;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephistopheles, post: 1181379, member: 4460"] [I]Planar binding[/I] could do it, but it's hardly a good bet for an 11th level caster trying to nab a Leonal. Even with a calling diagram it's only even odds. [I]Planar ally[/I] will work so long as you don't make totally unreasonable requests of the called creature. I guess that's what you get for your 250XP. <overanalysis> Assuming I have all my numbers correct... The Leonal may or may not fail the Will save and be called (it has about a 50% chance to make a Will save vs DC 21, assuming caster attribute modifier of +5 and no other DC modifiers). It would then very likely break out of the [I]magic circle[/I] laid to trap it (80% chance of SR 28 beating the 11th level caster level check). If it failed to beat the caster level check it would then need to make a Charisma check vs DC 20 (assuming no caster Charisma bonus, about a 15% chance of success). Chances are better if a calling diagram is used. The calling diagram means the called creature can't use SR to escape, and also increases the Charisma check DC by 5 (to DC 25 in this case, impossible for the Leonal with a Charisma modifier of +2). This removes both avenues of escape for the Leonal so if it fails its Will save and is called into a calling diagram it is trapped. All up an 11th level caster using [I]planar binding[/I] to bind a Leonal has about an 8.5% chance of doing so successfully, or a 50% chance of success if a calling diagram is used. If no calling diagram is used the other 41.5% between outright failure (Leonal passing the Will save) and successful trapping results in a called but untrapped Leonal. </overanalysis> [/QUOTE]

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