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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7225002" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I don't really disagree with that. Even in D&amp;D there are plenty of supplements that talk about pantheon-honoring priests.The issue here is that the spell allows a cleric of Lathander to ask Orcus to send something.&quot;You beseech an otherworldly entity for aid. The being must be known to you: a god, a primordial, a demon prince, or some other being of cosmic power. That entity sends a celestial, and elemental, or a fiend loyal to it to aid you...&quot;In 5e D&amp;D clerics don't worship primordials, demon princes, or &quot;other being<s> of cosmic powers.&quot; While I'm a bit looser with my own interpretation, the default 5e assumption is that they get their powers from either gods, or forces and philosophies (DMG p. 13).</s><s></s><s>And lest we think it is assumed to be limited to beings with positive relationships with your deity--why the crap would you contact an angel to request them to send a lesser angel, when you could just contact the deity who the angel serves? Why a middleman? It doesn't make sense that way either.</s><s></s><s>So, as written, this spell allows your cleric to call up some sort of other being with potentially absolutely no connection to you, your pantheon, your alignment, etc. Whereas wizards, who are known for doing exactly that, or warlocks, who have relationships with those sorts of being, can't do that.</s><s></s><s>Huh?</s><s></s><s>How does that make sense? It's like giving the best healing spell in the game to wizards, with no explanation whatsoever.</s><s></s><s>What I'll probably do is rule that &quot;known to you&quot; means you have to be a worshiper of the being, or they have to be part of the pantheon you honor, etc. In other words, I'll interpret &quot;known to&quot; as &quot;with which you have a sacred relationship&quot;.</s></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 7225002, member: 6677017"] I don't really disagree with that. Even in D&D there are plenty of supplements that talk about pantheon-honoring priests. The issue here is that the spell allows a cleric of Lathander to ask Orcus to send something. "You beseech an otherworldly entity for aid. The being must be known to you: a god, a primordial, a demon prince, or some other being of cosmic power. That entity sends a celestial, and elemental, or a fiend loyal to it to aid you..." In 5e D&D clerics don't worship primordials, demon princes, or "other being[s] of cosmic powers." While I'm a bit looser with my own interpretation, the default 5e assumption is that they get their powers from either gods, or forces and philosophies (DMG p. 13). And lest we think it is assumed to be limited to beings with positive relationships with your deity--why the crap would you contact an angel to request them to send a lesser angel, when you could just contact the deity who the angel serves? Why a middleman? It doesn't make sense that way either. So, as written, this spell allows your [I]cleric[/I] to call up some sort of other being with potentially absolutely no connection to you, your pantheon, your alignment, etc. Whereas wizards, who are known for doing exactly that, or warlocks, who have relationships with those sorts of being, can't do that. Huh? How does that make sense? It's like giving the best healing spell in the game to wizards, with no explanation whatsoever. What I'll probably do is rule that "known to you" means you have to be a worshiper of the being, or they have to be part of the pantheon you honor, etc. In other words, I'll interpret "known to" as "with which you have a sacred relationship".[/s] [/QUOTE]

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