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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tzarevitch" data-source="post: 863998" data-attributes="member: 1792">Let my just clarify the points I was trying to make. I am not saying in any way that is is better for good casters to summon evil beings, I am saying that yanking a creature across the planes to your doorstep is not something that that creature is going to be kindly disposed to regardless of whether it is a fiend or celestial. Functionally, it is tantamount to dropping a bag over someone's head, taking him to your house, then asking him to do something for you. It is not the same as a priest summoning a Planar Ally which is presumably already kindly disposed to you or your cause and at least passingly familiar with who you are. I am also not in any way implying that there is never a reason for a good caster to snare a heavenly being for help. I am just saying that very likely that the summonee whatever the alignments of the summoner and the summonee will not be very happy that he has been yanked out of whatever he is doing. If the summoner and the summonee are both good and rational beings, the summoner may be able to convince the summonee that he had a good reason and genuinely needs help. The summonee may then decide that he WILL help, but there is no reason that it will be happy at what you have done even if it is willing to help. Some celestial beings are like the Old Testament angels in that they are agents of a deity's wrath, and woe be even a good caster who summons one of those for what it considers insufficient reasons. What I am ultimately trying to say is that Planar Binding is not a pleasant experience for the summonee because it functionally kidnaps it even if you don't use the binding circle. Just because the being is a celestial and is "good" and you are "good" doesn't mean that your goals are it's goals (especially in the case of an arcane caster who is not a direct minion of a higher power or force that it may also serve) or that it will be happy to be yanked from what it was doing to help you with what you are doing. Note the spell does NOT give the subject any option to refuse other than to make its save and or SR.  That is not to say that Planar Binding is "evil", but it certainly isn't nice and it doesn't engender feelings of trust from the summonee regardless of alignment. The way I compensate for this in my campaigns is that wizards who are DIRECTLY in the sworn service to a deity (and have say the arcane devotee prestige class or something else to that effect) may use the Planar Ally spells. That way they can call one of their deity's minions for help if they are in reasonable need. Tzarevitch</blockquote>

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