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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasin" data-source="post: 2300931" data-attributes="member: 7531">Right. Dismissal, too; it isn't necessary, but it's both useful and in theme for a binder. All this puts a real cramp in the sorcerer's style outside of outsider calling, and is one of the reasons why I don't think planar binding comes out too overpowered.How so? They have a decent chance to resist being called by making the Will save, but then you just cast the spell again, and once they're called...In a magic circle against good with a calling diagram and a dimensional anchor, he can't use SR, he can't attack outside the circle, he can't use dimensional travel to escape, the Cha check DC to escape is 33 (Sor13 with Cha 24) so he'd need Cha 36 to have any chance of making it. The only way he can escape is if the caller rolls 1 on a negotiation check, which I guess is will happen every so often, but is hardly what I'd call a "pretty good chance".Nice. Much more interesting, playable and appropriate than "Oh, yeah? Well, the archon brings all his planter mommy and solar daddy and they kick your ass, and don't you ever cast planar binding in my campaign!" which was, basically, the response I got from someone on the WotC boards.Anything particular you're thinking of? Other than "you piss him off, he comes to get you (possibly with 3d10 of his buddies)"?In any case, the glabrezu wish trick is outright abusive and I wouldn't allow it as a DM. I'd either house rule it (glabrezu's wish serves to tempt mortals, so you could say that you first need to allow the glabrezu to tempt you into performing an act of depravity before the glabrezu can grant you a wish, even if he wants to), or warn the player that I'll pull the 3d10 buddies trick on him, and then do it.But celestial/fiend helper 24-7 is kind of neat, I think. Borderline overpowered, perhaps, but it does tie up your spells known something fierce, so it's actually almost an "outsider character, sorcerer cohort" kind of setup for the player. It's also vulnerable to dismissal/banishment: last time we got TPK-ed in CotSQ after the vampire cleric banished my cleric's archon planar ally.</blockquote>

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