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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IcyCool" data-source="post: 2301148" data-attributes="member: 20308">Good point, I had forgotten about the calling diagram boost to the DC, so he'll just get his will save.  So pay no attention to the "good chance" bit.Well, that's your own fault for visiting the WotC boards. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />As to the Archon doing something to you, I doubt that it would happen right away.  It would most likely listen to whatever proposal you have.  Continued use/abuse would lead to word getting spread around though.  Also, keep in mind that these beings aren't just sitting around waiting to be called.  They are most likely very busy doing the work of their deity.Just make sure you don't roll a one on that Charisma check!:Sorcerer: "I call forth from the Celestial Heavens a Trumpet Archon!"*Archon appears in the summoning circle, glances around quickly with wide eyes, and then narrows its eyes at the Sorcerer.*Archon:  "For what reason have you called me mortal?"Sorcerer:  "Yeah, me and my buddies are going to go whack this evil necromancer and take his stuff.  We'd like a heavy hitter for support, so I'm bringing you along."Archon: "I am Zephyriel, messenger for his divine radiance, servant of the Golden One.  I am to deliver a message of utmost importance.  Every moment you delay me, more innocents may suffer, and you wish me to be your MEATSHIELD?"Sorcerer:  "Pretty much.  Oh, and if you're a good birdie, I'll make a donation to Pelor's church, how's that deal sound?"Well, it being a creature borne of evil itself, it'll do its best to twist your wish, and it will succeed in some way.  I like your idea though.  But the corruption would have to be pretty hefty IMO.  Rather than outright banning it, I'd much rather let my players know that it is a bad idea.  If they still want to try it, they get both barrels (and maybe something good out of it) and Demons and Devils still retain their feel of tricksy evilness.And lesser fiends are always servants of more powerful fiends.  If you meddle in their affairs enough, they will take notice and act. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Continually forcing celestials and fiends into service will, after time, become noticed and most likely be ... unappreciated. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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