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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 3163831" data-attributes="member: 12332"><p>I dunno if an Efreet could actually cast a Wish to create a magical item ... hrm.</p><p></p><p>The cost for creating a magical item is 2x the XP cost + 5,000xp ... the 5,000xp is waived for the SLA, but would any additional XP costs be associated with it?</p><p></p><p>Heck, I'd be summoning up genies all day to pop out 200,000gp magical items. Why wish for inherent bonuses to ability scores when you can just have him squeeze out a Manual of Bodily Health +5? One wish, POW. Ordinarily doing that would require 56,000xp. </p><p></p><p>EDIT: Just went through the SRD ... doesn't say this isn't possible. The SLA text says that an SLA "never" has an XP cost, even if the spell would. The Efreeti description doesn't say anything about limitations to the Wish spell that it grants.</p><p></p><p>Thus ... skip the bucket of Wish scrolls to get +5 Inherent Bonus to a score, just wish for a single Manual of X +5 of the score you want. Both give Inherent bonuses, one only requires a single Wish. It's also hard to pervert a wish for a simple item, beyond having that item be something from the hoard of an ancient red dragon. This, additionally, opens up even more powergame options because you can just Wish up character wealth items entirely out of proportion with what's available. "Make my +1 Longsword a +5 Keen Adamantine longsword." etc etc.</p><p></p><p>As I've said, though, the Genie either A) As OKS said, has protected himself from being summoned at all in the first place or B) WANTS to be summoned and WANTS to grant wishes so that he and his kind can pervert those wishes, get mortals addicted to "free" power, and build their power-base on the material plane.</p><p></p><p>Heck, thinking about it, it's probably not the Efreet they should worry about getting "revenge" on them so much as concerned citizens groups of higher-level NPCs saying: "Whoa, that's not happening again." and putting the party down for summoning up demons for power ... how many adventures revolve around going in and putting down some demon-summoning evil wizard who is now little more than a fleshpuppet for some extra-planar badnik?</p><p></p><p>Which, again, I'd step to the 4th Wall and say: "I don't want the campaign turning into one revolving around the ramifications of using this one spell in this one manner ... it's possible, but let's not do that so we can continue on. If I were to say it works carte blanche exactly how you want with no ramifications at all it would be unfair to all involved."</p><p></p><p>Within the "rules" the best way to go about it is to say that your average Efreet has Greater Spell Immunity: Planar Binding wished up and the spell just fails outright. Legit, rulesy, neatly packaged, game continues.</p><p></p><p>--fje</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 3163831, member: 12332"] I dunno if an Efreet could actually cast a Wish to create a magical item ... hrm. The cost for creating a magical item is 2x the XP cost + 5,000xp ... the 5,000xp is waived for the SLA, but would any additional XP costs be associated with it? Heck, I'd be summoning up genies all day to pop out 200,000gp magical items. Why wish for inherent bonuses to ability scores when you can just have him squeeze out a Manual of Bodily Health +5? One wish, POW. Ordinarily doing that would require 56,000xp. EDIT: Just went through the SRD ... doesn't say this isn't possible. The SLA text says that an SLA "never" has an XP cost, even if the spell would. The Efreeti description doesn't say anything about limitations to the Wish spell that it grants. Thus ... skip the bucket of Wish scrolls to get +5 Inherent Bonus to a score, just wish for a single Manual of X +5 of the score you want. Both give Inherent bonuses, one only requires a single Wish. It's also hard to pervert a wish for a simple item, beyond having that item be something from the hoard of an ancient red dragon. This, additionally, opens up even more powergame options because you can just Wish up character wealth items entirely out of proportion with what's available. "Make my +1 Longsword a +5 Keen Adamantine longsword." etc etc. As I've said, though, the Genie either A) As OKS said, has protected himself from being summoned at all in the first place or B) WANTS to be summoned and WANTS to grant wishes so that he and his kind can pervert those wishes, get mortals addicted to "free" power, and build their power-base on the material plane. Heck, thinking about it, it's probably not the Efreet they should worry about getting "revenge" on them so much as concerned citizens groups of higher-level NPCs saying: "Whoa, that's not happening again." and putting the party down for summoning up demons for power ... how many adventures revolve around going in and putting down some demon-summoning evil wizard who is now little more than a fleshpuppet for some extra-planar badnik? Which, again, I'd step to the 4th Wall and say: "I don't want the campaign turning into one revolving around the ramifications of using this one spell in this one manner ... it's possible, but let's not do that so we can continue on. If I were to say it works carte blanche exactly how you want with no ramifications at all it would be unfair to all involved." Within the "rules" the best way to go about it is to say that your average Efreet has Greater Spell Immunity: Planar Binding wished up and the spell just fails outright. Legit, rulesy, neatly packaged, game continues. --fje [/QUOTE]
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