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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 7584890"><p>We're gonna have to agree to disagree on most of that. However, you are correct in stating that there were some Unaligned, non-evil Primordials (what I called Dawn Titans): The four Elemental rulers (often treated as deities) Grumbar of Earth, Kossoth of Fire, Ishtishia of (Water?) and the Air one, that (I think) first appeared in 1e and later because associated with the Forgotten Realms (because they were worshiped there, not because they were FR-specific). Plus there was one other Primordial (a new creation for 4e) that was Unaligned, but if I think he died? I didn't find any good-aligned ones, and I had the Elemental Power book for 4e with a list called the &quot;Roster of Known Primordials&quot; (loved that chart) - if you know his/her/its name, please post? I know that in 5e one Primordial, a volcano-fire related one called Megaera (?) got stats and was non-evil. Since 5e does incorporate elements of 4e, I'd love to see more of these uber-elementals and some of the Star-related big bads named in the 4e material (A couple got 4e stats, right?) Have the being your Pcs Great Old One Pact Warlock gets his powers from pay a visit - or maybe the thing his rival gets his powers from!</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 7584890"] We're gonna have to agree to disagree on most of that. However, you are correct in stating that there were some Unaligned, non-evil Primordials (what I called Dawn Titans): The four Elemental rulers (often treated as deities) Grumbar of Earth, Kossoth of Fire, Ishtishia of (Water?) and the Air one, that (I think) first appeared in 1e and later because associated with the Forgotten Realms (because they were worshiped there, not because they were FR-specific). Plus there was one other Primordial (a new creation for 4e) that was Unaligned, but if I think he died? I didn't find any good-aligned ones, and I had the Elemental Power book for 4e with a list called the "Roster of Known Primordials" (loved that chart) - if you know his/her/its name, please post? I know that in 5e one Primordial, a volcano-fire related one called Megaera (?) got stats and was non-evil. Since 5e does incorporate elements of 4e, I'd love to see more of these uber-elementals and some of the Star-related big bads named in the 4e material (A couple got 4e stats, right?) Have the being your Pcs Great Old One Pact Warlock gets his powers from pay a visit - or maybe the thing his rival gets his powers from! [/QUOTE]

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