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<blockquote data-quote="Incenjucar" data-source="post: 1716968" data-attributes="member: 6182"><p>You seem to have an issue with the difference between 'logical result' and 'intent'. You can argue one, certainly, you cannot argue the other unless you, sir, are a fricking psion. Whatever would happen if WotC did one of the options desired by those PSers I base my arguments on, we have no interest or intention for it to be detrimental to anyone else. We are not quite as sadistic as that, for the most part.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the only thing this would do is mean that WotC puts out two series of books, which would dilute sales since people would have a choice, and generally prefer to have one or the other, and not both. WotC chooses to have half and half, and hope that it produces better sales than one or the other. Understanding this, PSers, as I have mentioned, wouldn't really mind if WotC just left PS the heck alone, instead of picking at it like some child who hated the parsley floating in her soup.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You do realize that, for the most part, Planescape INCLUDES everything in D&D? Are you suggesting that nobody will be able to take the planar information and just skip on Sigil and the 'extra' elemental planes, and, depending how things were done, just keep to the DMG's version how things work? The reason PSers aren't happy about 3e's version is because it drastically alters the composition of the planes (for instance, only Greyhawk is connected to the Great Ring cosmology anymore), and that, by using Sigil and things introduced by PS, it's got Planescape stuff ANYWAYS.</p><p></p><p>Guess what, Planescape Homestyle IS the default version. We would prefer it if they made something for pre-PS and PS fans alike, that was largely seperate, rather than some sad mish-mash.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We never said our hopes were realistic, now did we?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you suggesting that, by wishing peace on earth, I want every living thing to be dead? That's the only way it would actually happen in the real world. I wish a bunch of early-twenties Asian hotties with IQs above 150 would come streaming in to the room to drag me off to live on an island with them, so does that mean that I want a bunch of cute girls to be kidnapped at gun point and forced to do so, considering that's the only way such a lovely thing could ever happen?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. Blow up the world for world peace. Gotcha.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>UNIMAGINABLE confusion? How stupid do you think the average 3er is? I realize humanity is sadly lacking in brains, but anyone who can type can figure out "Lady of Pain Symbol=Planescape Product" and "No LoP Symbol=Not Planescape Product". And here I thought I had a low opinion of humanity.</p><p></p><p>Tiny? Where are your numbers? If you aint got the stats, shove it back up where you pulled it out from. There's obviously enough PS fans for them to put Planescape material -all over 3e-. Want me to start counting the things that came from PS, and only PS? Let me count the planetouched...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, PS fans would be quite happy if WotC just left PS alone. But they won't. They keep saying they don't want it, but always come crawling back for more. As it is, the only confusion that's occuring is when people see so much contradictory information between 2e and 3e that could have been avoided with a teeny tiny itsy bitsy bit of sense and/or research, or, possibly, a lack of malice. But, alas, this is from the same group of designers who let a personal issue with PASTRIES get in the way of a monster entry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Incenjucar, post: 1716968, member: 6182"] You seem to have an issue with the difference between 'logical result' and 'intent'. You can argue one, certainly, you cannot argue the other unless you, sir, are a fricking psion. Whatever would happen if WotC did one of the options desired by those PSers I base my arguments on, we have no interest or intention for it to be detrimental to anyone else. We are not quite as sadistic as that, for the most part. No, the only thing this would do is mean that WotC puts out two series of books, which would dilute sales since people would have a choice, and generally prefer to have one or the other, and not both. WotC chooses to have half and half, and hope that it produces better sales than one or the other. Understanding this, PSers, as I have mentioned, wouldn't really mind if WotC just left PS the heck alone, instead of picking at it like some child who hated the parsley floating in her soup. You do realize that, for the most part, Planescape INCLUDES everything in D&D? Are you suggesting that nobody will be able to take the planar information and just skip on Sigil and the 'extra' elemental planes, and, depending how things were done, just keep to the DMG's version how things work? The reason PSers aren't happy about 3e's version is because it drastically alters the composition of the planes (for instance, only Greyhawk is connected to the Great Ring cosmology anymore), and that, by using Sigil and things introduced by PS, it's got Planescape stuff ANYWAYS. Guess what, Planescape Homestyle IS the default version. We would prefer it if they made something for pre-PS and PS fans alike, that was largely seperate, rather than some sad mish-mash. We never said our hopes were realistic, now did we? Are you suggesting that, by wishing peace on earth, I want every living thing to be dead? That's the only way it would actually happen in the real world. I wish a bunch of early-twenties Asian hotties with IQs above 150 would come streaming in to the room to drag me off to live on an island with them, so does that mean that I want a bunch of cute girls to be kidnapped at gun point and forced to do so, considering that's the only way such a lovely thing could ever happen? Right. Blow up the world for world peace. Gotcha. UNIMAGINABLE confusion? How stupid do you think the average 3er is? I realize humanity is sadly lacking in brains, but anyone who can type can figure out "Lady of Pain Symbol=Planescape Product" and "No LoP Symbol=Not Planescape Product". And here I thought I had a low opinion of humanity. Tiny? Where are your numbers? If you aint got the stats, shove it back up where you pulled it out from. There's obviously enough PS fans for them to put Planescape material -all over 3e-. Want me to start counting the things that came from PS, and only PS? Let me count the planetouched... Again, PS fans would be quite happy if WotC just left PS alone. But they won't. They keep saying they don't want it, but always come crawling back for more. As it is, the only confusion that's occuring is when people see so much contradictory information between 2e and 3e that could have been avoided with a teeny tiny itsy bitsy bit of sense and/or research, or, possibly, a lack of malice. But, alas, this is from the same group of designers who let a personal issue with PASTRIES get in the way of a monster entry. [/QUOTE]
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