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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4999421" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I saw that. However, that's not what I had in mind. Arcana in the skill challenge represents having a great deal of specific knowledge of the slaad. I think that there is some advantage ought to be gained to having a great deal of knowledge about philosophy, religion, rhetoric, etc. generally. You might not know anything about slaad, but you might recognize something about how this creature thinks from its responses and be able to respond with things you learned about Absurdism, Discordianism, Existentialism, a Zen koan (or its equivalent in your world), or a Sufi mystical saying (or its equivalent in your world) and thereby demonstrate first that you are perhaps as enlightened as the creature (or as it believes itself to be) and second that your are capable of responding to its quite perceptive comments (as the slaad believes them to be) like something intelligent (as far as the creature is concerned). </p><p></p><p>Moreover, I think that its just better design to allow a variaty of different skills to be in play.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the slaad cease to exist in every meaningful without their animating principle. If the animating principle is abandoned, they are just silly monsters. And if the animating principle remains, then you've still got alignments you are just refusing to acknowledge it or adopting a new terminology for labeling it. It's as meaningless as saying that modrons must be good simply because they are lawful. If you say that, then the modrons cease to be modrons in any meaningful way.</p><p></p><p>The only 4e alignment that remotely makes since for the slaad is Unaligned, if only because the Slaad don't really declare allegiance to anything and none of the 5 options are descriptive. But Unaligned is silly on the grounds that the slaad don't have to declare allegiance to chaos the way a mortal might; they simply are chaos. They are the thing itself. They are chaos without evil, and if they aren't then you are saying that they can't be themselves. If you want to deny that they are what they are, the question remains, what are they? And if they are something, why can't mortals declare their allegiance to it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4999421, member: 4937"] I saw that. However, that's not what I had in mind. Arcana in the skill challenge represents having a great deal of specific knowledge of the slaad. I think that there is some advantage ought to be gained to having a great deal of knowledge about philosophy, religion, rhetoric, etc. generally. You might not know anything about slaad, but you might recognize something about how this creature thinks from its responses and be able to respond with things you learned about Absurdism, Discordianism, Existentialism, a Zen koan (or its equivalent in your world), or a Sufi mystical saying (or its equivalent in your world) and thereby demonstrate first that you are perhaps as enlightened as the creature (or as it believes itself to be) and second that your are capable of responding to its quite perceptive comments (as the slaad believes them to be) like something intelligent (as far as the creature is concerned). Moreover, I think that its just better design to allow a variaty of different skills to be in play. I think the slaad cease to exist in every meaningful without their animating principle. If the animating principle is abandoned, they are just silly monsters. And if the animating principle remains, then you've still got alignments you are just refusing to acknowledge it or adopting a new terminology for labeling it. It's as meaningless as saying that modrons must be good simply because they are lawful. If you say that, then the modrons cease to be modrons in any meaningful way. The only 4e alignment that remotely makes since for the slaad is Unaligned, if only because the Slaad don't really declare allegiance to anything and none of the 5 options are descriptive. But Unaligned is silly on the grounds that the slaad don't have to declare allegiance to chaos the way a mortal might; they simply are chaos. They are the thing itself. They are chaos without evil, and if they aren't then you are saying that they can't be themselves. If you want to deny that they are what they are, the question remains, what are they? And if they are something, why can't mortals declare their allegiance to it? [/QUOTE]
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