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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 1377838" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Two things:</p><p></p><p>First of all I wouldn't use Aoskar as an example of a deity getting into Sigil, loophole or otherwise. All that's ever been published is that Aoskar at one point claimed a plurality of worshippers in Sigil (mix of casual and devoted), became identified with using portals in and out of Sigil to the point where people said prayers to him when using them, and that while greedy to take Sigil for himself he stepped over line. People began to rever The Lady of Pain as an aspect of Aoskar and one of The Lady's dabus, Fell, donned the robes of a high priest and proxy of Aoskar.</p><p></p><p>When that happened Aoskar died. No long, drawn out battle, he simply died in a single moment that obliterated a district of the city itself (Shattered temple district) and razed his temple to the ground. The only survivor was Fell who lives to this day out of either mercy or torment, cast out of his place as one of the Dabus. He remains faithful to his dead patron god. Aoskar's corpse was found floating petrified in the Astral pierced through with massive, familiar shaped blades.</p><p></p><p>Never a mention of if Aoskar was inside Sigil or not at the moment he died. Perhaps he was purposefully allowed in to trap and slay him, or perhaps he managed to insinuate himself inside Sigil just enough to make him dangerous to Her Serenity, but also allow Her to destroy him with a glance and a shadow. It however is suggestive that The Lady in some rare circumstances may be able to (or simply only then choose to) extend Her power outside of The City of Doors. It's a lingering and haunting question. </p><p></p><p>Take with this that Factol Skall of the Dustmen may have been outside Sigil on the Negative Energy plane when he was mazed. Never clarified if he was or wasn't, but it's circumstantial evidence. Keep in mind we already know she can spin off portions of Sigil back on themselves within the Deep Ethereal to form mazes. The Deep Ethereal, or even the ethereal plane as a whole doesn't overlap Sigil or the outer planes at all, The Lady is somehow acting outside of the city in a way in those cases. Also She can already form portals from any bound space in Sigil to quite literally any bound space on the planes at large. It's not too terribly stretching to perhaps assume She might be able to do more. Not that there would ever be more than 2 known examples of such ever in 10k years at least, but it's suggestive with a hill of circumstance that She can if needed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>2nd point: As far as Dragonlance and Planescape. Folks from Krynn are generally regarded as the stereotypical 'clueless' primes. However I personally don't care to use much DL stuff in Planescape because Weiss and Hickman never intended for Dragonlance to be set in the same multiverse as the other TSR settings, it get forced upon them and I have a wish to respect that if I can in some ways. Of course it's unavoidable sometimes to make reference to Krynn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 1377838, member: 11697"] Two things: First of all I wouldn't use Aoskar as an example of a deity getting into Sigil, loophole or otherwise. All that's ever been published is that Aoskar at one point claimed a plurality of worshippers in Sigil (mix of casual and devoted), became identified with using portals in and out of Sigil to the point where people said prayers to him when using them, and that while greedy to take Sigil for himself he stepped over line. People began to rever The Lady of Pain as an aspect of Aoskar and one of The Lady's dabus, Fell, donned the robes of a high priest and proxy of Aoskar. When that happened Aoskar died. No long, drawn out battle, he simply died in a single moment that obliterated a district of the city itself (Shattered temple district) and razed his temple to the ground. The only survivor was Fell who lives to this day out of either mercy or torment, cast out of his place as one of the Dabus. He remains faithful to his dead patron god. Aoskar's corpse was found floating petrified in the Astral pierced through with massive, familiar shaped blades. Never a mention of if Aoskar was inside Sigil or not at the moment he died. Perhaps he was purposefully allowed in to trap and slay him, or perhaps he managed to insinuate himself inside Sigil just enough to make him dangerous to Her Serenity, but also allow Her to destroy him with a glance and a shadow. It however is suggestive that The Lady in some rare circumstances may be able to (or simply only then choose to) extend Her power outside of The City of Doors. It's a lingering and haunting question. Take with this that Factol Skall of the Dustmen may have been outside Sigil on the Negative Energy plane when he was mazed. Never clarified if he was or wasn't, but it's circumstantial evidence. Keep in mind we already know she can spin off portions of Sigil back on themselves within the Deep Ethereal to form mazes. The Deep Ethereal, or even the ethereal plane as a whole doesn't overlap Sigil or the outer planes at all, The Lady is somehow acting outside of the city in a way in those cases. Also She can already form portals from any bound space in Sigil to quite literally any bound space on the planes at large. It's not too terribly stretching to perhaps assume She might be able to do more. Not that there would ever be more than 2 known examples of such ever in 10k years at least, but it's suggestive with a hill of circumstance that She can if needed. 2nd point: As far as Dragonlance and Planescape. Folks from Krynn are generally regarded as the stereotypical 'clueless' primes. However I personally don't care to use much DL stuff in Planescape because Weiss and Hickman never intended for Dragonlance to be set in the same multiverse as the other TSR settings, it get forced upon them and I have a wish to respect that if I can in some ways. Of course it's unavoidable sometimes to make reference to Krynn. [/QUOTE]
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