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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1384094" data-attributes="member: 6398">And there's still the question of "3E canon", as it were...  Does MotP or DDg at all indicate that "things were different and now it's this", or do they present as, "this is how it is, as it has always been, and will forever be"? This is important because if the planes are now "as they have always been", then an event that supposedly changed the planes to their current state becomes a non-sequitor event: The planes never changed, so how could it have changed the planes? This is akin to the change of the dwarven race in FR: Previously, they were presented as rough and gruff because they were a dying race (low female birth rate), while in 3E an event is added to the history of the Realms (Day of Thunder, IIRC) that makes them a now-thriving race (making all those rough and gruff dwarves rough and gruff for no reason because game play happened after the event prior to the event being added to the mythos). I guess the issue to me isn't so much canon vs non-canon, but rather that these changes present near-paradox conditions that can only be avoided by pretending some parts are true and others aren't.  This makes it hard to accept it as canon because each element of the event becomes seperate from the event itself by virtue of retaining or loosing relevance within the new mythos presented for the individual settings. (In this case, parts of the event are meaningless in Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms because the "new history" renders it moot, while other settings like Planescape and SpellJammer must either ignore [different] parts of the event or loose some of their hallmark features.)</blockquote>

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