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<blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 3444787" data-attributes="member: 38324">The one you put above, for example, from page 7 of &quot;A Player's Guide to the Planes.&quot; Sigil's up in the white space, on the paper rather than the sky. Or two pages earlier, on page 5, where Sigil's again shown outside the circle rather than within it. Or the <a href="http://fantasyland.info/rolevki/plany/plane.jpg" target="_blank">poster map of the multiverse</a>, where you can't see Sigil at all.Or pretty much every picture of the Spire. Either Sigil's off in the margins, or it's not there at all, or there's an obvious place where the Spire's been truncated for the sake of the illustration (like in the poster map of the Outlands). If the Spire's really a spire, it should taper to a point on the top - yet we hardly ever see that, because it's cut off. Because it's infinite, and it doesn't have a top that anyone'll ever see in a literal illustration.Now, as I said, I love the idea that the Spire's top is infinitely-high-yet-visible. The theory as I see it is that &quot;objects&quot; and &quot;places&quot; in the Outer Planes are really symbols, ideas, and there is no literal space or time. But that's not official.They can't.Even if Sigil's visible, they can't know for sure that the thing floating above the Spire is Sigil. It's just something that people believe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ripzerai, post: 3444787, member: 38324"] The one you put above, for example, from page 7 of "A Player's Guide to the Planes." Sigil's up in the white space, on the paper rather than the sky. Or two pages earlier, on page 5, where Sigil's again shown outside the circle rather than within it. Or the [url=http://fantasyland.info/rolevki/plany/plane.jpg]poster map of the multiverse[/url], where you can't see Sigil at all. Or pretty much every picture of the Spire. Either Sigil's off in the margins, or it's not there at all, or there's an obvious place where the Spire's been truncated for the sake of the illustration (like in the poster map of the Outlands). If the Spire's really a [i]spire[/i], it should taper to a point on the top - yet we hardly ever see that, because it's cut off. Because it's infinite, and it doesn't have a top that anyone'll ever see in a literal illustration. Now, as I said, I love the idea that the Spire's top is infinitely-high-yet-visible. The theory as I see it is that "objects" and "places" in the Outer Planes are really symbols, ideas, and there is no literal space or time. But that's not official. They can't. Even if Sigil's visible, they can't know for sure that the thing floating above the Spire is Sigil. It's just something that people believe. [/QUOTE]

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