Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 3445949" data-attributes="member: 18701">Can you point me to a description that specifically says Sigil can't be seen from the Outlands? I would like to see something concrete, not something that I need to interpret as Sigil not being seen from the Outlands.I mean, that's a pretty easy bit of info to mention in an official book without being vague about it. There's no reason a writer would need to be vague about that. I don't remember reading anything that just told me, "Sigil can't be seen from anywhere on the Outlands". Yet, there's many images showing Sigil above the Outlands. I can find plenty of references in both 2e and 3.5 that says Sigil is in the center of the Outlands directly above the Spire. I would think that those references are meant to tell us that it can be seen, since that's where people believe it to be, it's illustrated that way, and there is no text that says it can't be seen (that I know of). To me, those points make it pretty obvious that Sigil can be seen and it doesn't need to be pointed out specifically that it can be seen. I see what you're talking about in regards to the illustrations and white space, but I think that's an overanalyzation of an illustrators work of art. That's kinda stretching it to prove a point  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I'm an artist myself, everything from fine art to 3d animation. Personally, I believe the illustrator painted those images that way so Sigil will stand out more in the picture and won't be lost behind clouds or saturated by atmosphere colors. To make something stand out, you can put negative space around it. I think that's what's going on in the pictures rather than just cropping Sigil in there to represent it's placement in the plane.It's an interesting thing you brought up though. I know you prefer to see Sigil like we do and you're just saying the books don't say you can. But I think your gut preference is correct and your excellent reading comprehension skills are getting in your way  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> The books also say that magic stops working the closer you get to the spire. We all agree that Sigil is in the center of the Outlands, but magic doesn't stop working in Sigil like it does at the Spire. Therefore, if you can't see Sigil from the Outlands, but most magic works in Sigil, then I don't think magic item bonuses would be enough to determine where Sigil is because the whole magical alterations are skewed already. The Celestial Aetheroscope will triangulate the planes around you. Sigil isn't a plane, it's a city. I don't think that instrument would tell you what plane Sigil is on, but I don't remember what all functions the aetheroscope can actually perform so maybe I'm wrong.</blockquote>

Verification