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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8132866" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>I'm not [USER=83242]@dave2008[/USER] , but At least in my case, it was a lot of work to slowly introduce that humanoids in general have bandits/raiders/war criminals/etc. Meanwhile my group of mostly newbies (one veteran player) had slowly been acclimated to the orc civilization they met being kind of naturalist gentle folks living ear the border between droaam & shadowmarches. In short, <a href="http://keith-baker.com/tag/orcs/" target="_blank">these folks</a> which was pretty much the opposite of [spoiler='this silliness"']</p><p>all of the highlighted stuff is written entirely for FR with almost no consideration for settings where it doesn't apply & I called out in rage one of the pants on head bad assumptions wotc makes over & over again in 5e on the page itself</p><p>[spoiler="volos 118"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129109[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>Well it tells me my gm will work with me not that I should initiate vice versa & that I should look at chapter 1 for details on my chosen race's culture...</p><p>[spoiler="what does ch1 say on orcs?"][ATTACH=full]129116[/ATTACH]</p><p>who the bleep is gruumsh?! he sounds bad & orcs worse! do we need to go back to that poor little border village of orcs & cyran refugees we saved from war criminals?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129110[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129111[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129112[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129113[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129114[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129115[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>"Holy crap".. and I thought those karrnathi <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731" target="_blank">war criminals</a> experimenting on refugees that we took down were bad...</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]129108[/ATTACH]</p><p>Not only are they bad, they are stupid, menacing, looking for a fight</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>VGTM gave the veteran guy who kept being quick to educate newbies on orcs/goblins/any other monstrous race they asked about something in the blackest shade of absolute morality black & white that he could point at & the race itself doesn't even fit. Orcs were already fairly settled for me when vgtm came out, but other monstrous races (gnoll especially cmes to mind) had a much higher bar for me to overcome when introducing them</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8132866, member: 93670"] I'm not [USER=83242]@dave2008[/USER] , but At least in my case, it was a lot of work to slowly introduce that humanoids in general have bandits/raiders/war criminals/etc. Meanwhile my group of mostly newbies (one veteran player) had slowly been acclimated to the orc civilization they met being kind of naturalist gentle folks living ear the border between droaam & shadowmarches. In short, [URL='http://keith-baker.com/tag/orcs/']these folks[/URL] which was pretty much the opposite of [spoiler='this silliness"'] all of the highlighted stuff is written entirely for FR with almost no consideration for settings where it doesn't apply & I called out in rage one of the pants on head bad assumptions wotc makes over & over again in 5e on the page itself [spoiler="volos 118"] [ATTACH type="full"]129109[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] Well it tells me my gm will work with me not that I should initiate vice versa & that I should look at chapter 1 for details on my chosen race's culture... [spoiler="what does ch1 say on orcs?"][ATTACH type="full"]129116[/ATTACH] who the bleep is gruumsh?! he sounds bad & orcs worse! do we need to go back to that poor little border village of orcs & cyran refugees we saved from war criminals? [ATTACH type="full"]129110[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129111[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129112[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129113[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129114[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129115[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] "Holy crap".. and I thought those karrnathi [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731']war criminals[/URL] experimenting on refugees that we took down were bad... [ATTACH type="full"]129108[/ATTACH] Not only are they bad, they are stupid, menacing, looking for a fight [/spoiler] VGTM gave the veteran guy who kept being quick to educate newbies on orcs/goblins/any other monstrous race they asked about something in the blackest shade of absolute morality black & white that he could point at & the race itself doesn't even fit. Orcs were already fairly settled for me when vgtm came out, but other monstrous races (gnoll especially cmes to mind) had a much higher bar for me to overcome when introducing them [/QUOTE]
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