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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 2666684" data-attributes="member: 1241">let me get to what was supposed to be the point of this thread, because i keep forgetting. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />the reason i have listed all these stats is to see what we have already in D&D 3E, to avoid being too repetitive.  this does not mean that just because we have a plant that swallows whole or drains blood or has poison, that we can't have another plant that does the same thing; we just need to be careful about too much of the same thing.i'm thinking of at least three different article themes for plants (a "garden" theme, an underground plant theme, and a general plant theme; these may change as i think about it).  each will contain conversions, as well as hopefully some new plants.i don't know if there were any subtypes present on the creatures Shade listed, but there were only a handful on the ones i picked out from the first big three monster books.  i'd like to see more plants with subtypes.  bloodthorn and ironmaw are extraplanar, and kelp angler is aquatic (though do plants need that subtype?).  i don't doubt that the udoroot has the psionic template.  what i want to see is sometime with the fire or cold subtype, or incorporeal or swarm (!) or shapechanger or even one of the alignment subtypes.maybe something that causes disease, or drains/damages ability scores, or has ray attacks or throw projectiles or other things that the other plant creatures don't have.first of all before we get too bogged down in making new creatures, how about settling on themes.  i think a maximum of 5 should be enough.  what do you all think about that?</blockquote>

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