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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 6529501" data-attributes="member: 2629">Does it ruin the game for a PC to find plate at 5th?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Not by itself.&nbsp; It'd just be wise to be cautious about it.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you dig into the game, the numbers beneath the treasure tables give some good hints where you might expect to acquire something as useful as plate mail.I would suggest that many of you could benefit from sitting down with the DMG and generating a sample set o treasure hordes for an entire 20 level career for a group.&nbsp; Page 133 says that a party should find ~ 7 of the 0-4 level hoards, ~ 18 hoards from 5 to 10, ~ 12 hoards from 11 to 16 and ~ 8 from the highest tier hoards. If you start generating those hoards you'll find that there are a lot of one shot items to be found, but only ~ 30 magic items that don't disappear when used - or about 6 per PC in a 5 PC party - 30 items over 20 levels.&nbsp; As for cash a character that is saving his cash might be able to afford platemail sometime between levels 5 and 8.&nbsp; Finding a useable set of platemail on an enemy is a pretty huge benefit - a lot like finding a rare magic item.&nbsp; Platemail is a lot like +1 Spintmail - and that is only available on the Table H treasure table.&nbsp; That table only comes up 2% of the time when those 18 to 5th to 10th level hoards are rolled up.&nbsp; The odds are pretty good that no Table H treasures will show up in a treasure hoard before 11th level (or later).In the end, 5th edition is an edition that tries to walk two extremes at the same time when it comes to items - items are iconic and rare, but at the same time their impact is overshadowed by the abilities of the PC classes.&nbsp; They're big deals and little deals at the same time - and platemail, which is priced like a rare magic item, is not really any different.&nbsp; PCs should not likely encounter it before 5th, and the typical point where it might be acquired is probably closer to 8th to 13th in a 'by the book' game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 6529501, member: 2629"] Does it ruin the game for a PC to find plate at 5th? No. Not by itself. It'd just be wise to be cautious about it. If you dig into the game, the numbers beneath the treasure tables give some good hints where you might expect to acquire something as useful as plate mail. I would suggest that many of you could benefit from sitting down with the DMG and generating a sample set o treasure hordes for an entire 20 level career for a group. Page 133 says that a party should find ~ 7 of the 0-4 level hoards, ~ 18 hoards from 5 to 10, ~ 12 hoards from 11 to 16 and ~ 8 from the highest tier hoards. If you start generating those hoards you'll find that there are a lot of one shot items to be found, but only ~ 30 magic items that don't disappear when used - or about 6 per PC in a 5 PC party - 30 items over 20 levels. As for cash a character that is saving his cash might be able to afford platemail sometime between levels 5 and 8. Finding a useable set of platemail on an enemy is a pretty huge benefit - a lot like finding a rare magic item. Platemail is a lot like +1 Spintmail - and that is only available on the Table H treasure table. That table only comes up 2% of the time when those 18 to 5th to 10th level hoards are rolled up. The odds are pretty good that no Table H treasures will show up in a treasure hoard before 11th level (or later). In the end, 5th edition is an edition that tries to walk two extremes at the same time when it comes to items - items are iconic and rare, but at the same time their impact is overshadowed by the abilities of the PC classes. They're big deals and little deals at the same time - and platemail, which is priced like a rare magic item, is not really any different. PCs should not likely encounter it before 5th, and the typical point where it might be acquired is probably closer to 8th to 13th in a 'by the book' game. [/QUOTE]

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